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Green to Gold Active Duty Option Cadet

October 07, 2010 | Second Lieutenant Andy Tennant

I came to the ROTC program from active duty with the Green to Gold Active Duty Option Program (ADO). This program allows enlisted members of the Army to have an opportunity to go back to school, complete their degree, and return to the Army as a Commissioned Officer. With the ADO, I continue to receive the pay and entitlements I had while serving with an active unit, and my duty station is at the school of my choice.
The selection process for this program involves creating a packet that is to be presented to a board at Cadet Command. The packet is long and in depth, but well worth the time. With the program being very selective (only 150 soldiers selected this past year), the quality of the packet is important.
I received my orders to be here at Marshall on 3 Aug 2010 with a report date at Ft. Jackson with duty at Marshall University on 10 Aug 2010. Needless to say, the last few months have been quite a trip for my family. If anyone has any questions about Green to Gold and specifically the ADO, feel free to get a hold of me.
CDT Tennant


  • PFC McKenzie
    10/9/2010 1:16 PM
    CDT Tennant,

    Recently I've became very interested in Green to Gold and I think ADO would be the option best for me. I just joined the Army this year, but I read on the Go Army website that you have to be in the Army for 2 years, I was just interested in how the process is to getting this started and how to go about it. Good luck to you and thank you :)
  • CDT Tennant
    10/9/2010 5:48 PM
    Yes, you do have to be in for two years. In order to get it started, you need to go the the green to gold webpage , go to the bottom of the page and create an account. The system will verify that you are eligible and then allow you to create an account. Once you've created an account log in and it will take you to a page that has a checklist for everything that you need to complete the packet. GIVE YOURSELF PLENTY OF TIME. This packet takes months, money, and a lot of research to complete. It's always good to turn in all in on time to.

    Also, for your research benefit the best resource I found was a message board on Be sure to check this out. Without this board for communication with the other prospective ADOers I wouldn't have found out many of the things I needed to know. This includes how I found out results were out(the notification system was down on the Cadet Command website), a point of contact at HRC for tracking whether or not my orders were being cut, and tips for doing in processing at Ft. Jackson.

    Be sure to check it out. If I can help you at all, just let me know.


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  • ricky nelson
    10/9/2010 10:43 PM
    just wondering why you said you needed money during your applcation process and do you know of anyone that submitted waivers.
  • CDT Tennant
    10/10/2010 8:40 AM
    In order to complete the packet you need to apply and be accepted to the school. The application fee for my college was $50. It's not a lot, but it's something you need to be aware of. Again, ensure you have time to apply to school and gather the required paperwork for the packet. It took my school a month to respond to my application.
    The deadline for submission is April, the board is in May, and the announcement for award comes out in June. I would suggest submitting well before April. During our board, it was rumored that over 500 packets had been submitted and 3/4 of those attending the board submitted theirs on the deadline. Thus giving Cadet Command little time to sort through the packets and forward necessary corrections to you. So get your stuff in early so they can make sure you packet is straight before you have to rush like I did.
    There were only 150 selected this year. Competition is tough.

    If you guys have anything more I can help with you, just let me know. If I can help anyone through the process it would be my pleasure.

  • PFC Andrew Hall
    10/12/2010 1:52 AM
    I really appreciate you taking the time to write this article and answer the questions here CDT Tennant. I'm currently putting my packet together for the ADO Green to Gold program, and have found your article and subsequent answers to questions very helpful. I just wanted to say thanks for taking your time to do this for us hopefully future cadets!

    PFC Hall
  • CDT Tennant
    10/12/2010 8:08 AM
    It's my pleasure.
      11/9/2012 7:58 AM
      Can u email me at
  • CDT Tennant
    10/18/2010 9:08 PM

    Sorry I didn't answer about the waivers. Like I said, most of my interaction with anyone was on the forums. Some guys mentioned that they put waivers in and they were accepted, but I'm not sure as to whethe or not they were accepted into the program.

    I have a belief (as well as other ADO Participants on the forum) that they didn't select anyone with waivers for the simple fact that there were enough candidates that didn't require any. Again, like much of the selection process, the actuality of this information is known only to the folks at Cadet Command and the members of the board.

    I hope this helped.
  • Keith
    10/20/2010 12:18 PM
    Hello, I have a college degree already. I was thinking about enlisting to get my feel as a NCO or enlisted soldier and to work on my running because I am horrible at running and figured where else to better work on it.

    I was told by my recruiter that I can apply for OCS/Green to Gold right after AIT. But I see here I would have to wait 2 yrs. Maybe different program?

    Does this make sense?
  • Andy Tennant
    10/20/2010 2:29 PM
    That depends. I'm not 100% sure, but I do believe you can pursue your Master's degree in the program instead of your bachelor's (which is what I'm pursuing). Green to Gold is mostly meant for this who have no college or need to finish their degree.

    As for enlisting first, I wouldn't suggest it. Here are my beliefs a to why, specifically for you.

    1) You have a degree. Don't enlist, go to AIT, then apply for OCS. The competition is too fierce. What recruiters don't tell you is that you need to gain Chain of Command approval before submitting your packet. This will not happen within the first year of being at your first duty station. When you show up somewhere they typically want to keep you.

    2)There is an enlistment incentive to go into OCS. Requirements for initial entry are a little more intensive than being a regular enlistee, but it's worth it. With this program you go to basic, and the directly to OCS. You would be considered a "CollegeOp," go through the 14 week OCS process, and then continue with your BOLC for your branch (decided AT OCS).

    3) I believe going to ROTC is still an option. I don't have any sources for this, but I know of current cadets who are taking Master's Level courses. I would contact your local ROTC Liason at your school regarding information on this. This option may not be possible, but it is worth the research.

    If you're reallly considering joining. Go with the OCS Enlistment incentive. Do your homework and get your commission with a guarantee in your enlistment contract. That is my suggestion after having gone through several processes. It's definitely the easiest route for you. is the best resource for OCS information. Create a username and research the forums. Everything that you are thinking about with regard to your career and options (including those who are going the CollegeOP route) is covered.

    As for your running, you don't need to be enlisted to get better at running. Do some sprints. 30-60's and 60-120's are great exercises for increasing your run time. With 30-60's, stretch out well, get on a track of some sort (as this is easiest), and do a warm up lap. After the warm up, walk for a bit and time yourself at a Sprint for 30 seconds. Immediately after the sprint, start your clock and walk for 60 seconds. Then Sprint for 30 seconds, then walk for 60 get the idea. You will do this Sprint/Walk cycle six(6) times. Do your cool down lap then stretch. 60-120's are the same except it is 60 seconds then 120 seconds. Your run time will increase quickly if you make this part of your routine. ( for the new FM on PT.

    As for "getting the feel as enlisted," I would say this is something to weigh considerably. I am incredibly grateful for the perspective being enlisted has given me and I believe whole heartedly that it will make me a better officer. However, making the transition from enlisted to officer is not very easy. If being an officer is your career goal, I would suggest going that route. I do encourage to research both career paths that are availlable. Each has its Pros and Cons, and the officer route fills my personal needs/desires moreso than the NCO route. This may be a different scenario for you.

    I've yammered on much to long. If you need anything more, I'll be happy to try and help. Also remember, most of the above is MY opinion. Don't take it doctrine.
    Good Luck,

    CDT Tennant

  • David Fisher
    11/1/2010 6:41 PM
    Cadet Tennant,
    I am currently an 11B E-5 at Fort Lewis, WA and trying to go back to Marshall in the Green to Gold program. This is what attracted me to your post. I was wondering what you're packet looked like as far as GPA and awards? Also, I am trying to figure out if I can turn in a ADO packet and a Scholarship packet at the same time. I have a wife and child and obviously would prefer the ADO; I am not sure if I would match up to the 150 soldiers trying to do the same. I cannot find whether or not I can submit both packets anywhere, so your help is much appreciated.
    SGT David Fisher
  • CDT Tennant
    11/1/2010 7:12 PM
    SGT Fisher,

    I'm also 11B from Fort Bragg. My GPA is a 3.44 with 98 hours transfered in. At the time I had 1 ARCOM and 1 AAM. If you want to go scholarship you can't go ADO. The Army will not do both, and that stipulation is actually part of the program requirements. You can, however earn scholarships from the school and/or 3rd party organizations. Also of note, you cannot draw Tuition Assistance while with the Green to Gold program, but you can draw from your GI Bill.

    I'll be honest with you, there's no way I could go back to school without the ADO. There's no other way to support a family.

    As for matching up with the other potential candidates I wouldn't worry about that. Don't try to figure it out based on what PT, GPA, etc. is. If you go to the message board I referenced in an early post on, you can see toward the end where guys with 6 ARCOMS didn't get selected. It's really a toss up. Just put together the best packet you can and call it a day. Turn it in early so you can make corrections ASAP and start the waiting game.

    I do believe you can apply for both. ask that question there, but I'm pretty sure that it's referenced in the message board again.

    Best of luck and let me know if I can be of further assistance
  • David Fisher
    11/1/2010 7:58 PM
    I understand I cannot draw both options. I just want to do the scholarship packet as a back up in case my ADO packet isn't good enough. I have a 3.0 College GPA, a 4.0 High School GPA, a 27 ACT score, 133 GT score. I have 1 arcom and 1 aam. My PT is great, no problems there. The rep here on Fort Lewis said that if I didn't have a bronze star or better or a college gpa of 3.75 or better to not even bother putting packet together. I guess you are living proof that what he said is not the case. Also, I am told that I can add years to my commitment after getting commissioned for duty station of choice, AOC of choice, etc. Do you know anything about this?
  • CDT Tennant
    11/1/2010 8:30 PM
    Throw your packet together. You've got a decent GPA and your GT is great. If you meet the requirements do the packet.

    You can add years to your commitment. I believe upon graduation you have to do 4 years and then you can ADSO (Active Duty Service Obligation) for what branch or duty station you want. Branch selection and duty station are determined by an OML based on your performance at LDAC(Summer between Junior/Senior Year), and I haven't been yet. BUT, you can do the ADSO to get what you want if you don't rate well on the OML. This is a link to the Accessions process. It's slightly different this year, but it's very similar.

    I hope that answers your question.
  • C. Watts
    11/9/2010 10:01 AM
    I was wondering if you had to have any college credits to apply for this option?
  • CDT Tennant
    11/9/2010 2:47 PM
    Yes. You have to be able to complete your degree in 21 months. I transferred in 98 hours. If you can prove to Cadet Command that you can complete your bachelor's degree in four semesters then you qualify.
  • Nathan Chapman
    11/13/2010 12:41 AM
    I'm 11B just 11 months into the army but would like to go green to gold im currently deployed to Afghanistan right now and was thinking about going a better way. What exactly are the requirements and how do i start putting a packet together ?
  • SPC Hall
    1/6/2011 12:55 AM
    I have been given letters of recommendation from a couple of very high up officers. Should I add those to the packet and if so where?
  • CDT Tennant
    1/6/2011 8:02 PM
    SPC Hall,

    I'm a fan of keeping it to what is asked for. I didn't have anything other than the two recommendations that were included with the appication. However, I do believe that some people did include additional recommendations with their packets. Like I've mentioned previously, search the forum on to see what the others have done. That forum is ridiculously big so try looking around April of 2010, plus or minus a few months. I hope this helps.
  • Krys
    5/23/2011 11:15 AM
    My husband just recently applied for ADO GTG... He has 320 PT, 3.4 gpa, 92 credits transfered, airborne, e-6 in 4 yrs, 1 deployment, high GT score, and honor grad from DLI, and Commadants list from AIT, and asst team leader at 10th group......what do you think the odds are ? and also..where is the best place to track results and notifications of selection
  • CDT Tennant
    5/23/2011 8:44 PM
    His stats are better than mine, but there is some super secret equation that Cadet Command uses. The best place to follow the results are by using the forum I mentioned and calling Cadet Command. I know this is crunch time and your stress is probably crazy high, but I can't give you more than that. Patience is a virtue during this time.

    Just a little heads up if he does get selected though, I received orders on 3 Aug and had a report date of 10 Aug. Mind you, 10 Aug was a Monday and a holiday. I cleared Bragg from living on post in three days. Talk about a headache.

    I'm sorry I can't be more help. Good luck, though.
  • SSG Atkinson
    5/26/2011 2:38 PM
    When did you find out you made it?
  • CDT Tennant
    5/26/2011 3:02 PM
    I found out on 11 Jun via a gentleman named MAJ Psaltis out of Campbell, Methodist, and Fayetteville Universities. He is a recruiting ops officer for Campbell University's ROTC program. Cadet Command did not inform me of my selection. Basically, he e-mailed me and the other Green to Gold Px on Bragg on his own. He was sent, by Cadet Command I'm assuming, the final selection information and he scheduled a briefing to inform us all we had been selected.

    This whole episode was a huge shock as I was awaiting word from Cadet Command and did not expect to be hearing from someone that I had no association with. If I were you, I would contact the school's ROTC Recruiting Officer and see if they are privy to any information that may be available. Be proactive in searching for results and ensure you check everyday.

    Best of luck to you, and let me know how everything works out. If there's anything else I can attempt to help you with let me know.

  • Jared Sellers
    6/1/2011 5:56 PM
    CDT Tennant,
    Does the selection board prefer Marshall?
  • CDT Tennant
    6/1/2011 8:24 PM
    Not that I'm aware of. I'm the only ADO in our program and there was only one other Green to Gold participant (he just commissioned). Marshall has a relatively small program, and I don't know that what program you apply for matters for the selection board.

  • Shaun
    6/8/2011 4:11 PM
    I just wanted to know what my chances would be im and e-6 combat eng audie murphy memeber, AA, AB, pathfinder, 3.4 Gpa, bronze star, but i havent had any like post level sports does that affect anything. Also when did you submit your packet and when did you find out. Oh yea if your security clearance is still in the works does that affect anything also?
  • CDT Tennant
    6/8/2011 4:35 PM

    First off, your stats are great, however there were guys with better stats than you that didn't make the cut. I'm not sure what you mean by post level sports, but I'm pretty sure that's not a key factor in the decision. I never did any sports outside of high school, and even then I wrestled only my freshmen year. Who knows though.

    I submitted my packet two days before the deadline (round about 29 March I believe), which turned out to be a BIG mistake. There were many corrections I had to make before my packet was finally OK'd for the board, which was a cause of much more stress than I wanted. As mentioned before, I found out on 11 Jun, so hopefully you'll find out soon.

    I'm not sure about the security clearance, I don't see why it won't matter though. There are guys that I'm in school (at my level) who finished the security clearance back in March. I would assume that if it's still being processed then you could get picked up pending your clearance. I wouldn't worry too much about that.

    Just take a deep breath, say a prayer and be patient. Don't forget that there's always the Non-Scholarship option if you don't make ADO.

    Good luck.
  • Jermaine
    6/24/2011 1:31 AM
    Hey Sir,

    I just found out that I was selected to participate in the Green to Gold program this year. I am currently in Afghanistan and I was wondering how long does it take for your orders to come down. My unit won't let me leave until they do. Thank you.
    • CDT Tennant
      6/24/2011 12:07 PM

      First off, my congratulations to you. I can't tell you when or how quick your orders will arrive. Hopefully, Cadet Command places deployed pax on priority, but I don't know. I would suggest getting all of your ducks in a row now. If you're married, get your wife to start packing. Make sure that you do everything you can that doesn't require orders, ASAP. I know school starts in about 2 months, which gives you little to no time to PCS, but it can be done. We had to do a DITY move in order to get here on time.

      I do know that there were people in your situation on last year's board, so hold onto your hope. The worst part is over. You got picked up for the program. Everything will fall into place, just have a little more patience. I know it's hard.
      • jane
        9/20/2011 5:46 AM
        I have a question do you have to have to meet a college credits requirment before you ut your packet in?
        • CDT Tennant
          9/28/2011 5:13 PM
  • Lamont
    6/25/2011 8:32 AM
    I'm in the process of finishing up my Green to Gold Active Duty Package. My questions are:
    1. Will my Top Secret clearance play a big part upon selection?
    2. What exactly is AFS? I'm thinking it's dealing with FBI, CID, or other special agencies. Not quite sure, if they are talking about Active Duty military.
    3. I'm 33 now, will be 34 in Sept., is there a chance my age will disqualify me, even though the windows are open between Nov. 15 - Apr.1.
    4. How long did it take for you to get a respond, and if selected, should I start my GI Bill paperwork ASAP?
  • Lamont
    6/25/2011 8:38 AM
    5. When do you get to start school, in the spring or fall, or do they decide which is the quickest way for you to finish and get commission?
  • Jackson
    7/3/2011 9:59 PM
    im currently active duty and i am thinking about going the green to gold active duty option, now i noticed alot of you all are in combat mos. My question is if selected and i complete the green to gold program what are my chances my mos will be swithced to a combat mos i am currently a 42alpha.
  • Crystal
    7/18/2011 3:33 PM
    You said you had to do a DITY move because you didn't have enough time - Is this just like a regular PCS? Did you have to completely clear CIF as if you're ETS'ing? That's the part that's stressing me out the most. I just got the letter that I got selected and I know it's going to be a rush to the end. I'm stationed at Campbell and going to school in Illinois, so not that bad of a move, but still I don't like being rushed!
  • CANE
    7/20/2011 11:26 AM
    I am currently going to school online and I have 2 years left. If I try to go green to gold can I still go through my online college. Also i am dual military how will that effect my marriage.
  • CDT Tennant
    7/26/2011 3:30 PM
    First off, sorry for the delay in my responses, I've been at LDAC for the last month and haven't had access to a computer. So I'll respond in the order that i received inquiries.

    1. Unsure, but having TS may help. As I've previously stated, selection criteria from the applicants perspective is ambiguous.
    2. Active Federal Service, The time that you've been in the military since your BASD (Basic Active Service Date)
    3. You'll need to submit a waiver for your age. I have heard of individuals getting by with waivers, but I'm not 100% on that one. I would request a waiver ASAP so you know whether or not you should CM.
    4. I was persistent in my contact with Cadet Command. The communication lines and POC's are all over the place. Once I submitted my packet, Mr. Erick Hickson at Cadet Command contacted me with the requirements for my packet. He's was pretty quick to respond, but at crunch time (the end of April) he was busy handling everyone's packet and he didn't have a whole lot of time to deal with individual soldiers. I mostly tracked information via the forum on mentioned in an earlier post on here. From there I found a contact at HRC who was responsible for actually getting my orders cut. My unit was on a special status and I had to wait for my HRC contact to get a waiver signed by the deputy commander. That added to the time that it took me to get my orders. Let's just say it was a stressful time that afforded me little to no usable information. My unit was frustrated because they had received little information and they were going by my "he said she said" information. Just be patient. You'll get the information, good or bad, as it comes. If selected, start your GI Bill ASAP, yes. I'm not using mine since I qualify for grants. So ensure you look at all angles.
    5. I started in the fall since I applied in the spring. I know nothing about starting the school in the spring. Sorry I don't have any info on that.

    When you go ADO you are considered a Military Science Year 3 Cadet, AKA a junior in college preparing for LDAC (Leaders Development and Assessment Course). You will be given an opportunity to select a new branch, not an MOS. You are basically starting your military career over in the officer's world. You do not get a guarantee of branch choice, but you are given a chance to make a "wish list" of what you would like to branch. YOu put these in order and based on an OML for cadet command (google ROTC Accessions Process) you are branched. ROTC is a competition and how well you do will determine whether or not you get the branch you want or the duty station you want.

    So, in effect, you will most likely be in a different career field if you so choose. Also, in the top 3 branch choices, if you are a male, they must be Combat Arms (IN, FA, AV, etc.)

    I understand the rush. I did DITY to save time. This is just like a PCS. You exist on paper at Jackson and you have duty at your school. You will clear CIF, but keep the majority of your stuff. You'll turn in IOTV, etc., but you will keep the majority of your them to get specifics.

    Congratulations and good luck on your move. Have patience with Cadet Command, it operates differently then the rest of the Army. Especially have patience with your peers. Have fun.

    You have to check with your current school. You have to make sure that you can take ROTC courses and that you belong to an ROTC Battalion. I don't think you can do ROTC online. Given your situation, I would look to find a school near your post since your spouse will continue to work. But I'm not sure. You have a unique situation. Bottom line, I don't believe that ROTC can be done online, and your spouse is going to have to continue working. If selected, though, you will have a significant amount of time home. ROTC has been great for my family and marriage since we actually get to spend time together.

    I hope this all helps,

  • Paul
    8/28/2011 12:52 AM
    CDT Tennant, what are your thoughts on the 60 credit, "Junior status" minimum? By that I mean that over the past two semesters of night and weekend classes, I've maintained a 4.0 GPA but may fall short of "Junior status" despite barely attaining 60 credits by the end of the Fall, 2011 term. The degree I am seeking requires slightly more than 120 credits overall for graduation so I'm worried the school won't accept me as an academic Junior. That being said, I could easily take another 15 credits in the Spring and another 15 in the Summer. Is there a way to voice this "logic", if you will to the board? By that I mean that I'll be able to punch out credits after the application has been submitted.
  • SSG Yasin
    8/31/2011 3:23 AM
    I have a few quick questions, since you are still active duty do you still have to go to work at your unit and go to school or are you pretty much left alone while you finish school? Also, does the college have to be a university? Can it be a community or city college? Thank you.
  • CDT Tennant
    8/31/2011 3:55 PM
    My thoughts on the limit, well. It's the requirement. I had issues with my packet because I had too many hours and was almost disqualified for that. Don't ask me how that makes sense, but there was some talk about it. I was able to get into a general studies program, which allowed me to get in. When you submit your packet you have to be able to prove to Cadet Command, via the CC-104r form, that you can finish your degree in 21 months (two semesters). They will, however as it was explained to me, allow individuals to extend to 24 months on a case-by-case basis, but they will not let you go into the program expecting to need the 24 months. You need to have the 60 hours. Look into the non-scholarship option from the G2G liaison based at Fort Drum for guidance. I left their email in an earlier post, or you could google search.

    SSG Yasin,
    I had these same questions as well. Here's how it works. You are located on paper at Jackson but have duty at your school, i.e. school is your place of work. Jackson is supposed to handle all of your leave, passes, etc., however since you are pulling duty with the ROTC battalion, then this area becomes fuzzy. At my school (a university of about 13,000) our ROTC battalion has 50 cadets, and I'm the only person that does anything with Jackson. Occasionally my HR rep has to work with me through Cadet Command, but other than that no one at my school communicates with anyone at Jackson. To give you a run down, I do PT MWF from 0630-0730. Since all of my classes, besides the required ROTC ones, are online, I do school work AT HOME (I wish I could bold that last statement) on my own time after PT. Tuesday and Thursday are ROTC days with no PT. We have a class and training meeting on Tuesday and a class and lab on Thursday. The class and Lab take up about four hours, but I like to devote those two days entirely to doing ROTC stuff. I'm playing BC this semester so I'm pretty busy. So my schedule is awesome, my wife and kids are happy, and I don't spend too much time away from home. OK, all of that to say that School is your mission. When I'm not in school, like for breaks, etc., then I'm not at school. It's that simple. I don't have to use leave/passes, etc. However, I have heard that some schools do require that people use leave. I don't think this is too common though.

    NEXT, you can go to any school that has an ROTC program or any school that coordinates with a sister school's ROTC program. Check out the goarmy site for a listing of those schools, or just search your potential school's webpage for an ROTC program. As for the community/city college, I'm not sure. Some of those schools may coordinate with colleges and universities, however I don't know.

    I hope this answers your questions.

  • Paul
    9/3/2011 5:40 PM
    Thank you very much for your timely response. I wasn't very clear in my question. What it basically boils down to is this: I currently have 50 credits. I was originally told that I needed a minimum 60 to apply. I am taking 13 credits this Fall to push me over the mark to 63 credits. However, I looked at a pie chart on my student portal that detailed credits "unfulfilled" and it stated that I had "97 credits unfulfilled". Apparently my major requires slightly more than the standard 120 credits to graduate. If I attain the 60 credits, but can't get a letter from the school ensuring "Junior status", what are my options? Is there a way to include something in the packet that outlines a plan to graduate (that will actually be looked at by the board, that is)? If I submit my packet on 15 Feb. of next year, I could easily take an additional 20-30 credits during the Spring and Summer semesters. I have no doubt that I won't even need the "if need be" 24 month waiver. How should I explain myself and my thoughts on this matter in the application? If you're not sure, if there is anyone particularly savvy on this type of ADO G2G matter, it'd be great to get in contact with them as well....Thanks so much CDT Tennant!
  • CDT Tennant
    9/3/2011 5:54 PM

    If I were you, I would change my degree plan. Look up the CC-104r form and you'll see that it actually allows a place to outline your plan of study, HOWEVER since your degree requires "97 unfulfilled" hours then your're going to have a heck of a time convincing the board that you can get it done in the time allotted. I actually ran into a similar problem as the degree I wanted to pursue required about 80 hours. The ADO rep at Cadet Command wouldn't even submit it to the board even though I could take summer courses. They want you to be able to complete your degree in four regular semesters. SO, I had to change my degree to a general studies, which has actually worked out for the better. Since joining, I've completed my undergrad (which was supposed to take the whole two years), started on my graduate work (started during the summer), and I should finish my graduate degree before I commission. My original plan has changed significantly. Once you're in the program you can do whatever you need to do, but for the packet you need to be set up to their plan.

    If you're worried about the degree, just remember that you only need a degree to commission. It doeisn't matter what its in. Don't forget about your AARTS transcript ( which will give you some more hours.

    Good luck, I hope I cleared it up for you, if not hit me up again.
    • SPC SPC
      3/20/2012 10:56 AM
      CDT Tennant,

      Did anyone at any point check to see if what classes you were taking matched what was on your CC Form 104-R? I may end up having to finish a degree faster than my plan says but don't know if I can do what you did during the second year?
    9/4/2011 5:44 AM
    hello cdt,

    I'm currently a spc deployed in afghanistan and Ive already made an account and began the packet process its just i dont know where to begin
  • Torres
    9/4/2011 5:51 AM
    o and when u submit awards to cadet command can u submit ones u are put in for put havent recieved yet
  • PFC Chupp
    9/16/2011 2:18 AM
    Wrong there is no time limit depending on which scholarship of green to gold you take, I am currently in the process of finishing my packet. I am using the GI bill to pay for it and ill be attending for 2 years to get my degree and I dont have to sign any years back I make my own contract. just research it more and ask questions to your leaders they will lead you better than guys who think one way is the only way
    9/17/2011 8:00 AM
    I am interested in the green to gold ADO program, but have had no luck finding the checklist. Can anybody assist me in this? Thanks.
  • CDT Tennant
    9/19/2011 10:47 AM

    Go step by step. Only submit awards that are on your ERB.

    PFC Chupp,
    First off, this entire blog/posting is specifically for the ADO. Cadet Command Regulation 145-6 (CCR 145-6) states generally in paragraph 6-1 "The Green to Gold ADO program is available to eligible active duty Soldiers who have earned sufficient academic credit that applies toward their degree to be accepted by their college and be academically aligned to complete their degree requirements within 21 months."

    Furthermore in paragraph 6-2b (10) which outlines eligibility data, the soldier must "Have two academic years remaining (four semesters/six quarters) as a full time student as indicated on CC Form 104-R..."

    For future reference know what it is you on commenting on and remain respectful. You also need to do your research.

    SGT Llana,
    That link will take you to the ADO page. Click the link at the bottom "Take the next step: Create an Account." After creating an account, the system should take you to the checklist. That is what happened two years ago, the system may have changed.

    P.S. I had to go through my HR rep at my school to get a copy of CCR 145-6 (exhaustive internet searches proved fruitless) which is the governing document for the Green to Gold program. I would suggest contacting Cadet Command if you wish to see a copy.

    Kind Regards Ladies and Gentlemen.
  • PFC Adams
    10/25/2011 2:31 PM
    CDT Tennant,
    I am 22 years of age and just graduated basic and AIT, I am in the Army Reserves. I am two years away from receiving my bachelors but I can still volunteer for ROTC. Would you recommend me to go ahead and do ROTC or just work on finishing up my degree and work on my packet at the beginning of my senior year for OCS, or start on it now and build on it? My recruiters have been wanting me to join ROTC for a referral but there are things they have lied to me about and haven't told me that I have done research on. I am a full time student and I have a full time job so I am not sure if I could even consider ROTC right now. I have been trying to find someone that knows quite a bit about this situation and reading through your answers you're very knowledgeable about this subject. In your opinion, would it be better for me to do ROTC or drop an OCS packet at the end of senior year? I look forward to hearing from you and further go into depth about it!
    • CDT Tennant
      10/25/2011 8:07 PM
      PFC Adams,

      I happen to have experience with both avenues, and since you are A)In the reserves and B)Already a full time student, I'm going to suggest that you go the ROTC route. Here's why. OCS is not a for sure shot. You can spend months compiling your packet for OCS just so that it goes before a selection board and you may not be selected. That's way too much of a hassle. However, ROTC is (I'm assuming) on your campus. All you would need to do is go talk to their cadre and they can help set you up on your road to commissioning. If you haven't stopped in and talked to them, I recommend doing so. We have several cadets in our program that our considered part of the Simultaneous Membership Program (SMP). This program allows them to be part of ROTC but also still a member of their unit. Furthermore, they are able to use our FTX's to count toward their drill.

      I understand you have a full time job, and that is a legitimate consideration, but know that your cadre will most likely be willing to work with you. Again, go in and talk to them. The only issues I see with having a job are the requirements for FTX's and LDAC (Leaders Development and Assessment Course), which is a month long course that is between your junior and senior year. I would say that the ROTC option will get you to where you want to go. This is only my opinion, I hope I've helped. If I can offer any more advice, let me know.

      CDT Tennant
      • PFC Adams
        10/25/2011 8:32 PM
        Yes, that certainly helped. I am still weighing my options on what I should do. The current university I am at right now does not offer ROTC but the university I just got accepted to does because I was going to transfer just to do ROTC and finish up my bachelors. ROTC is offered at that university but all of the classes they offer for rotc are at held within another university 45 minutes away. I drive to my current school which is already an hour away, so another 45 minutes would be hard considering my schedule, fortunately, I am dead set on becoming an officer. Unfortunately the university i was transferring to only takes 20 of my 64 credits I earned at my previous school. So I thought my chances were better just to finish up and then send in an OCS packet. The more I think about it the more I feel like it will be worth it in the end driving those miles, but then again just stay at my current university and carry out my bachelors there and take a chance on a packet. I'm just stuck in a pinch right now lol. I appreciate you replying back to my question though.
        • CDT Tennant
          10/25/2011 8:34 PM
          I do what I can. Best of Luck to you.

          CDT Tennant
  • Kelly
    11/17/2011 4:51 PM
    I am an enlisted soldier and am currently engaged to another enlisted soldier. What are our options for a marriage deadline if I go green to gold for ADO? Would we have to get married before I attend school or could we get married while I'm in school as long as its's before I attend OCS?
  • Nataucha
    1/10/2012 4:08 PM
    I have been in the army AD for 4 years and would like to go Green to Gold Active Dutie but my unit can't seem to get me where I need to be to talk to who I need to t alk to can yo help me? I have around 65 college units.
  • CDT Tennant
    1/11/2012 10:33 AM

    Your unit can't do anything for you. Go to the website that I've posted on here before and start, complete, and submit your packet from there. You need to get started ASAP so that you can beat the 1April deadline. It's all on you. Your unit needs to endorse you via signatures on paperwork, but you should complete your entire packet before attempting to receive those signatures. My suggestion, go to the website, follow their checklist, collect the information needed, and then assemble a physical packet in a folder with the checklist on the cover, then submit to your CO/BC for their signatures. You need to be very proactive.

    If there's anything else I can help you with, let me know. Good luck.

    CDT Tennant
    1/11/2012 11:58 AM
    Hello again everybody,

    It seems I pushed myself along the way to get stuff done all the way from here in Afghanistan. It all seemed to be moving smoothly considering the limited resources, assistance, and offices from here, and the time difference as well. But, I have fallen into a little ditch which has again killed my motivation and only seems to be discouraging me.

    I applied to UTSA and they excepted my credits which had me as a Jr in good academic standing with a 2.8 GPA(I had a loss in the family and failed one class, which I later re-took) Now, there Education and Health Dept advisor is telling me that out of all my credits(60) only 21 apply to my degree in Kinesiology. I don't know what to do. I hold my AA in Health Administration.

    I thought I was heading the right way by choosing a degree in the Health field, but that obviously didn't work. Does anybody have any advice to give as far as what degree I should seek which would transfer all of my credit hours?

    Thanks for everything guys, good luck to all.


  • CDT Tennant
    1/11/2012 12:04 PM
    Go for a general studies degree. I too was having a hard time choosing the "right" degree for my credits. To become an officer, you need to have A degree. I've spoken to quite a few officers that hold general studies degrees and they are doing well, plus pursuing a general studies degree gives you the freedom to take courses you want.

    The degree you receive only matters in that it is a degree. People branch all branches with all degrees. Individuals with engineering degrees don't always branch engineering (though they have a preference) and accountants don't have to branch finance. The only degree that will put you in a branch is nursing.

    Get the general studies.

    CDT Tennant
    1/11/2012 12:07 PM
    ooops, I just re-read my comment above and I feel dumb! Sorry for all the typo's.

    It kinda sucks trying to do a million things at once while having someone badgering you about your time being up on a MWR computer, oh joy! NOT. Hopefully, this change will be for the best and I will get accepted-once I find a degree plan which fits all the courses I have taken with the previous university.

    Thanks again in advance for all your help.

    1/11/2012 12:21 PM
    Awesome, I had no idea you were able to get a Bachelor's general studies degree as well. I thought GS degrees were only for Associate's Degrees. I will call my University now in hopes of getting some answers. Thanks again CDT Tennant.

    One more thing, what were your odds of getting chosen? Was it really that hard? I qualified with a 39/40 and just took at pt test where I scored a 285, the highest score in my plt, considering I am a female...I also just made NCO of the month and picked up my "p" status. I am 24 yrs old and have two children. I am deployed for the third time in my 6 yr military career, first time to Afghanistan though. My husband and I are both Active Duty Soldiers. Do I have a chance? Oh, and my GT score is 113.

  • Karrie
    1/24/2012 1:21 PM
    Hello, I am currently active duty and wishing to get into the ROTC program. There are a couple questions I have for you. I would be taking college at a sister school with the ROTC program. I am wondering if it would be a little more difficult having to commute every day to ROTC. I also am a little behind and have about 53 credits, however I am still taking classes is that something that will slow my process of getting into ROTC? When I am in the ROTC program, are there a certain number of classes I would have to take per semester? Also, upon graduating with my degree what are the next steps in my military career?
    • CDT Tennant
      2/1/2012 3:34 PM

      The commute is a commute. Schools are usually pretty good at working with commuters (so I'm told) so I wouldn't stress too much. Their requirements for you may be a little different than if you were actually attending a school with the program.

      You need 60 credits to qualify for the program. You will not be accepted if you don't have the 60 credits.

      Once you're in the program, you have to be a full time student. I believe that 's typically 12 semester hours.

      Once you graduate, you'll commission, cover down as a gold bar recruiter (2nd lieutenant that helps recruit people into the program) until its time to PCS, and then you'll start your new career as an officer. It's pretty straightforward. You are guaranteed Active Duty, and you get priority for orders for your BOLC date.

      If there's anything else, let me know.
  • SPC Carlin
    2/8/2012 3:38 PM
    what are the steps i need to take to become a officer. I dont know where to start and what to do
    • CDT Tennant
      2/8/2012 3:43 PM
      Your question is too broad to answer. Utilize your resources (e.g. Google, your chain of command, etc.) and research. There is enough information in the posts above to get you started. Other than that, be self-motivated and proactive.

      Good luck.
  • Pfc Wilson
    2/14/2012 10:41 AM
    I was wondering are you authorized to bring your family with you im currently in Afghanistan and im weighin out my options but dont want to be away from my family more than i have to?
    • PFC Wilson
      2/14/2012 10:45 AM
      Also i have no credit hours only graduated from high school been in the army 2 years im considering green to gold have a purple heart if that will help any but i want to be an officer how do i start from square one do i talk to retention or what is needed to start the packet
  • CDT Tennant
    2/14/2012 12:42 PM
    Alright, so first off, you don't qualify for ADO since you don't have any credits, however there are other options. Go to the goarmy website and find green to gold. Explore your options there. My experience is solely with the Active Duty Option. If you did have the 60 required credits, then you conduct a PCS move.

    Best of luck

    CDT Tennant
  • SGT Gaskins, Gabriel
    2/17/2012 1:29 AM
    Hey Tennant,

    I am putting my packet together, talked to my commander and everything. Everything is coming together. But I cannot get some of the easiest stuff done. Like the freaking application on the website. You know the stuff that goes down the checklist of things you must do? Well, I am trying to type everything up to make it professional. For some reason, I cannot put on there that I am stationed in Korea, you know putting APO, AP for my city and state. I talked to a someone that about it from the army rotc program and they are like just write it in. But I obviously cannot do it that way. Is there a way I can get the CC form 174-R as a pdf and type anything I want on it? I am trying to get a pdf format for CC fomr 104 too. Ive googled for days and I still cannot find it. And I am talking about the most recent form. The jun 09 cc form 174-r. And the cc form 104 will not let me change the authorized semester hours on it. Can you help me out?
  • Kyle
    2/17/2012 4:55 PM
    CDT Tennant

    Hello, I'm SPC Liebenow and I have a couple questions for you. I'm currently active duty now and getting close to my reenlistment window. My ultimate plan in life is to get my commission, which is what i tried to do before I joined the Army. Long story short, I want to try Green to Gold ADO and I'm wondering if my past ROTC experience will hurt my chances of getting accepted.


  • SPC Butler, James
    2/18/2012 7:10 AM
    I'm currently a 92Y at ft.Lewis and I'm currently deployed. I have been in the army for five years, and im looking to go back to college. I have a question about the Army Green to Gold Active duty program. I have a P2(Run at own pace and Distance) profile, and I was wondering if that is acceptable, or if waiveable or not. Any information will be apprecited.
    Thank You
  • Adam Jones
    2/21/2012 12:37 AM
    CDT Tennant,
    I am looking to enlist into the Army and would be looking into the green to gold program. I am currently 32 years old and was wondering if I would be able to go into the program at my age. I have 61 college credits with over 1300 continuing education credits through my local community colleges. I guess my question would be is there any waivers for the age restrictions for the green to gold program, or am I just blowing smoke. My recruiter does not know the ins and outs of the program so he is no help to me on this issue.

    Thank you for your time and also your service to this country and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
  • CDT Tennant
    2/22/2012 10:56 AM
    Sorry I've been so long in answering questions. I'm nearing commissioning now, with several FTX's being planned, finishing a master's, and taking care of a family, this blog has fallen to the backburner....ok, here goes.

    I had issues with the 174-R as well. What I did was take the PDF that you can download from the checklist and I filled out all of the information that I could. I then copied the entire PDF file and copied it into Microsoft OneNote and filled in the rest via text boxes. I actually used OneNote in helping to organize my digital files. It was pretty effective until I actually had to print the hard copies out (where I had issues with scaling), but then after everything was signed I just faxed it up.
    As for the 104-r, I had the school I applied for helping me out. Contact the cadre and see if they can assist you. Also know that once you submit the packet, if there's anything wrong with it (there most likely will be) the person receiving packets will let you know. They go through all of the packets before they get boarded. If you submit your packet WELL before the due date, you'll have a little better luck getting your errors fixed since the staff will most likely not have so many packets. I hope this helped.

    If anything, your past ROTC experience could help, unless of course you were a turd. In terms of the selection board caring about that, I'm not sure. As previously mentioned, I think the big thing they look at is the statement in the application and the SAL (Student, Athlete, Scholar), but no one really knows what they're looking for. Best of luck.

    I'm not 100% about the P2 issue. Check AR 601-100. I would assume there is guidance in there. I would venture to say that chances are is that it will slow you down, and it most likely won't be waived. At least in Cadet Command, waivers are not being accepted for anything. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you. Research the commissioning requirements. Best of luck.

    To answer your question, age is waiverable, but at this time a waiver is unlikely. You meet the requirements for the program, and if you were to enlist today you may still meet the age requirements by the time you would be eligible for the program (2 years Time in Service). However you should be aware that enlisting under the assumption that you will be selected for special training initiatives may fill you with false hope...Here's why. G2G, especially the ADO, is a highly competitive program. The year I was selected, I've heard that 500 applied and only 150 were selected. I've also heard some say that 1500 applied (I don't have solid sources, but what is important to take from this is that it is incredibly competitive). In order to qualify for the program, you need a favorable recommendation from your chain of command, Company Commander all the way up to Battalion Commander. Most units will not give you the blessing until after you've done your time and have proven to them that you are worth giving the special attention to. That being said, it is still possible to get it done. ALSO, you need to take into account the preparation that it takes to create the packet. The packet takes most people at least 6 months to complete (It took me three and I had half of it done before I started), and you have to do it on your own time. This means that during duty hours, when you are supposed to be doing your enlisted job, you don't get special time to put your packet together. Essentially you have to create hoops and jump through them to get things done, and as a lower enlisted member you typically don't have that freedom.

    If you want to pursue a commission and still serve, look into ROTC. I don't know the specifics of getting into the program, contact your local program for information. If that doesn't work out, you could complete your degree (check and see how those Continuing Ed hours could translate into credit hours and get a general studies, perhaps) and enlist with the OCS college-op option. Or you could enlist and apply for OCS, but you A) need a degree, and B) it's another board select, similar to G2G.

    I'm sorry I'm not able to provide more positive information. Know that your goal is possible and that you can do it, it's just going to require work. Good luck, and God Bless.

    CDT Tennant
  • Military spouse
    3/1/2012 3:17 PM
    I was wondering where to send the packet to once it is completed??!! I know it is a month away and my husband is almost done with his packet and now needs to know where to send it to!
    • CDT Tennant
      3/1/2012 10:11 PM
      The site that has the checklist on it gives you the e-mail and snail male address that you need to send the packet to. Electronic is preferred. He needs to submit it well before the April 1st. Best of luck.

      CDT Tennant
      • spc benzz
        9/25/2012 4:51 AM
        I am 35 (dob: feb 1977) years old, and my ETS date is Sep 05, 2014, I am trying to put my packet for g2g active duty option (no scholarship)
        My concern are:
        I will be 38 by the time I graduate, Can still get age waiver?
        My ETS is Sep 05. 2014 I don't want to re-enlist as an enlisted, so how much time should be left before I ETS to be eligible for G2G (ADO)
  • Military spouse
    3/2/2012 9:19 AM
    Thanks so much! We r really hoping he does get accepted! It has been a very long process going to school and working full time in the army! And as a spouse its not easy either. I did tell him u suggested to send it in weeks before but he has an appt. March 20th to make sure everything is correct with his ERB?! Everything else is done he said, so once they verify everything on the 20th he will send it in! I hope that will be early enough??! He is just racing to get things done and has been working on this packet for months now. He just completed his associates this week.:)
    3/18/2012 12:29 PM
    MY PACKET WAS SUBMITTED 4 MARCH 2012!!!! So far, it hasn't been kicked back for corrections...I'm so excited. Now, I pray, sit and wait:) good luck to all!!!!!


  • Vanessa Clark
    3/22/2012 5:11 AM
    I just submitted my packet on the Green to Gold website. There isn't a submit button. Do I also need to send a e-mail with attachments too? The checklist seems to be a little different then the Checklist. On the uploads is says Awards. I need to upload my Awards or Evalutions. Which one when there is a spot for NCOERs?

    I really hope I have a chance. I have a CGPA 3.43 and APFT Score of 283.

    Packets are due April 1, when should I find out if I got selected?

    SSG Clark
  • CDT Tennant
    3/22/2012 10:33 AM
    Mil Spouse,
    Send him my congrats on completing the Associates. I encourage him, no matter the outcome to continue pursuing his education. I know its tough. This is a crazy time...Good luck!

    Congrats and good luck to you!

    SSG Clark,
    The website may have changed from two years ago. When I submitted, I believe there was an upload dialog. I did not email it in. I wouldn't send an email with the attachments, however I would email them to ensure they received the packet. Make sure you go by the checklist they have labeled as "the Checklist." Back that up with the reg to ensure you have everything. If an item doesn't apply, don't worry about it. As for uploading NCOERs, I believe there was a spot for additional supporting documentation. Put those there. Be patient, there are probably several hundred applying and I believe that only two people process these packets (don't quote me on this).

    Your stats look pretty solid, but as I've said before in this post, their selection criteria is a mystery. I've heard of everyone from E-3 to E7 being selected for the program, with better and worse stats than you.

    SO...Here's the board process. All packets must be submitted NLT 1 April. From that time until the first couple of weeks of May, they are being processed and corrected. You may or may not receive emails about correcting your packet. I had to add things that weren't on the initial checklist and amend several things and add some Memorandums from my CO. So, after the board takes place, you'll probably come across a lot of chatter from people who call and call relentlessly to Accessions Command about the date of names being released. Call the school you plan to attend around this time and see if they're tracking any names. I was at Bragg when I was selected and the Recruiting Officer at one of the local colleges emailed those of us located on Bragg and held an initial briefing for us. He did this on his own and had it not been for him, I would not have known I was selected. Be proactive in your search for board results. I found out June 11th. Best of Luck!

    For everyone that reads this, best of Luck and may God's will be done. Know that the fact that you've made it this far shows that you are dedicated to bettering yourself. I know the road is long, tiring, and very stressful. Be patient, pray diligently, and continue to be a good Soldier. Regardless of the outcome of the board this year, I encourage all of you to continue working hard at obtaining your commission. If you don't get selected for the ADO, there is the non-scholarship option which allows you to break service so you can go back to school. Also, there is the option to finish your degree and go to OCS. Whatever it is, don't give up! Clearly, your ambitions are set high if you're reading this post, and you MUST pursue your ambitions. Don't let anything stop you. Lean on God, and everything will be just fine. Even if you don't selected this year, there will be another opportunity. I know it hurts to think of that possibility, but perhaps your skills are still needed where you are. For the time being keep hope, believe in your experience, trust that your packet is complete and everything will be fine. Matthew 17:20 says faith like the grain of a mustard seed can move mountains. How much faith will it take for you to get your commission? Believe.

    God Bless.

  • James Climes
    3/22/2012 8:59 PM
    Good day CDT Tennant my name is JC. I recently applied to the GTG ADO and am pending the board conveining on 1 April 2012. I just want to know from you where you think I stand. Here are my qualifications:

    thank you for your time in taking to read this. I know that you are nearing commissioning and I want to say congrats. You are the one of many I strive to reach for so that I can become a future leader as a commissioned officer.

    9 yrs Active Duty service
    3.78 GPA
    84 Semester Hours
    112 GT score
    Pending upgrade of Security clearence
    I have acceptence letters from both the school and the ROTC battalion
    All forms completed.
    All reccomendations from commander to battalion Commanders completed

    Just asking for your input of where I stand with just a few pieces of information that I have dealing with my packet Have a Blessed Day!!!!

    • Andy Tennant
      3/22/2012 9:41 PM
      First, Congrats on submitting your packet! That's a milestone in and of itself. As for feedback: Your TIS, may be good, may be bad. I've heard from the rumor mill that the board typically prefers less years in service, then again I've heard of E-7's getting picked up; excellent GPA; so long as it will take you 21 months exactly (as spelled out in your 104r) to complete your degree, you should be fine; you GT score isn't excellent, but I have a hard time believing that it is a major focus; I'm not sure if your pending security clearance will hinder you or not. So long as your packet is complete and you fulfill all the information they request you have a good chance. As I've mentioned before, no one has any idea what the board is focused on. I know SAL (Scholar, Athlete, Leader) is/was kind of a big deal, and I heard rumors that the statement of why you want to be an officer is regarded heavily. But, who knows. If your PT is good, then I would say you have solid standard stats, but I'm not gonna say that will make you a sure shot.

      When I did my packet, I looked at it like the one required for WOCS. Attention to detail and don't skip a beat. I looked over all of my forms dozens of times to ensure clarity, had my wife go over, then had my XO go over them, and then I went over them again before I submitted them. Even then, they still told me I was missing stuff.

      I gave you the feedback you requested, but I wouldn't find solace in my words. Just take a breath, say a prayer, and trust that you are what they are looking for. I will say that the next few months will be stressful. Just Charlie Mike and keep doin' what you're doin'.

      God Bless,

      • JR Ovens
        3/31/2012 11:53 AM
        I just uploaded all of my documents a few days ago, and don't see to have the warm and fuzzy that I like. It seems like on the website thier should be some kind of submit button or somthing. I called cadet command and spoke with a Miss Pringle and she informed me that as long as everything was uploaded that I was fine. Did you submit your packet electronically or by mail? and if electronically did you feel the same as me as far as the website is concerned. Also in previous replies you spoke of them contacting you to fix things in your packet, how long was it before you got some notice letting you know that Cadet command did recieve your packet and that thier were issues that needed to be fixed.
  • Terry Edwards
    3/26/2012 3:04 PM
    I have a question concerning the Green to Gold Active Duty Option. I am a SPC, single, and I live in the barracks on Ft Carson. If I get selected for the Active Duty Option, would Ft Carson have a barracks room for me or would I be able to live off post with BAH?
    • CDT Tennant
      3/26/2012 3:07 PM
      It's a PCS move. You are authorized to move as far as your home of record is to go to school anywhere that has an ROTC program. You will not be assigned to anywhere at Carson. You will be assigned to Ft. Jackson with duty wherever your school is. So you'd get BAH.
      • Terry Edwards
        3/26/2012 3:08 PM
        Thx CDT Tennant
  • SPC Na
    3/27/2012 1:35 PM
    OMG!! CDT Tennant! this web page helped me a lot, even more informations, with specific cases!! I really appreciate!! :D
    This really makes me less nervous!! :)
  • SPC Wills
    3/27/2012 10:10 PM
    I've got a general question, though it looks like it's already been answered so I'm asking for the sake of confirmation.

    I'm deploying in the near future and when I get back I intend to submit my packet for Active Duty Green to Gold. Now there's a few concerns I have.

    1) Is the 4 year Hip Pocket Green to Gold scholarship the same as Active Duty Green to Gold? I have no real college credits at the moment, so to get my 4-year degree I'll have to go to school for a full 4 years.

    2) If so, will I be getting paid at my rank throughout the course of the whole four years?

    3) Since technically I'd be assigned to Ft Jackson I know I'd be getting BAH (assuming I'm getting paid as Active Duty), but will the BAH be at Ft Jackson's rate or for the area I'm going to school at?

    4) Since I'd technically be assigned to Ft Jackson does this mean I'd have to go through the PCS process and in-process at Ft Jackson facilities such as Finance, Housing, Legal, Medical, etc?

    5) Is the maximum age for completion of the course 29 or is the maximum age for JOINING the Hip Pocket Green to Gold 29 years old?

    6) Will my MOS as a commissioned officer be relative to my degree, prior enlisted MOS (35 series) or whatever the Army feels like sticking me in?

    Thanks for the help.
  • Andy Tennant
    3/28/2012 9:38 AM
    SPC Willis,

    First, thanks for being so organized with your questions.
    1) Green to Gold is broken down into several different programs. GTG Active Duty Option (ADO) is NOT the Hip pocket scholarship, they are two different programs within the Green to Gold Program. In order to do ADO you must have at least 60 hours completed. I believe Hip Pocket scholarship is still an option though, check on the goarmy site for clarification.
    2)Only those that get picked up for ADO receive full pay and benefits at the rank they were when selected for the program until they commission. Everyone else is separated from service. In all programs you are eligible for GI Bill benefits, but you are not authorized Tuition Assistance for ADO.
    3)BAH is based on duty location. For instance, I'm on paper at Fort Jackson, but I have duty in Huntington, WV. Since I have duty in Huntington, I receive BAH based on that zip code.
    4) Yes, sorta. You PCS, but not physically. You are assigned to the United States Army Student Detachment (Google it) and inprocessing is simply filling out a packet. It's very simple (much simpler than the G2G packet) and only takes a few hours. All of your administrative stuff is handled through them (leave, passes, annual training, finance, promotions, etc.). Your medical, however is a little different. Unless you're near a military facility, you'll have to enroll in Tricare Prime Remote. It's a bit of a hassle, but you still qualify for 100% benefits. It's just like living on post, but you have to do a little leg work prior to receiving care for the first time.
    5) I'm not sure on the age restrictions.
    6)Your officer MOS does not depend on your enlisted MOS or Degree. In the officer world, you select a branch and serve within that branch in any position that needs to be filled. For company grade officers, you will see PL time and CO time. Branch selection goes like this: Your name is entered into an Order of Merit List that is based off of GPA, performance at Leader Development and Assessment Course (LDAC), PT, and community and school activities. Before the OML is posted, Cadets make a "dream sheet" which rates the branches they would like to be a part of in order from most desired to least desired. Depending on how you rank on the OML determines whether or not you get your first pick. Those that do well (High PT, GPA, and performance) get what they want. The top 10% of the OML (this past year there were about 6000 cadets accessed) are guaranteed their first branch pick. Everyone else has a chance, but they aren't guaranteed. Google "Accessions Process Army ROTC" and check out the first result. It is a very in depth descriptions of how branching works.
  • PFC Robertson
    4/6/2012 6:12 AM
    I have been in for 2 years, and I am interested in the Green to Gold Program, I have no college yet but i know its what I am aiming for, is it still possible for me to submit a packet with no college yet?
  • SPC Volanti
    4/6/2012 9:48 AM
    Dear CDT Tennant
    I have read through your postings here, and you offer some great advice. I am currently deployed in the Middle East and submitted by packet through the green to gold portal, and out of caution also sent in my packet via registered mail (I just did not trust the website). I saw I am medically qualified. I still have not heard word about the submission, how long did it take them to get you an email requiring your corrections?
    I am worried my GPA won’t be high enough. I graduated the University of Florida with a 3.13 with a degree in Finance. 80% of my course load was Math, Science, and Economic courses. I have taken a few graduate level classes and maintained a 3.83 (grad school GPA and undergraduate don’t get added together). I received a 1360 on the SAT (old SAT) ranking in the top 95% of those who took the exam. I have been a squad leader for over a year. 290 PT score. 113GT. 31 months TIS. I have been accepted to a Master Degree Program as well as their ROTC programs (obviously). I am the BN CBRN-as a SPC-E6 slot-in charge of 14 soldiers and their CBRN programs. Unfortunately my unit does not give awards out at all. I have only received a MOVSM-What are your opinions on my chances of getting accepted?
  • Andy Tennant
    4/7/2012 1:36 PM
    PFC Robertson,
    You can to GTG, but you can't do the Active Duty Option. There are other options, go to the Go Army Website and search for Green to Gold.

    SPC Volanti,

    Good call on submitting both on digits and hard copy. I didn't hear from them till almost the end of April regarding corrections. Call into the submission office and verify that they've received your packet...that's what I did at least. I don't remember the contact info, but they are handled at Cadet Command.

    As for your stats, you look pretty solid. As I've told others, I'm not sure what criteria they're looking for and how they compare everything, but I'm sure just like everything else, PT is on top of the list. The fact that you're in a leadership position as an E-4 is beneficial. I would say, you've got a pretty good shot. My GPA was a little higher, but I had no leadership experience in the Army. I had a lot of pre-Army leadership training and I think that helped my packet. Other than that, I would say you have a fair chance of getting it. I wouldn't rely on my word though. As I've told others, pray, and if it's right, It'll happen. Be diligent.

    CDT Tennant
  • SPC Alvarado
    5/2/2012 8:35 AM
    SPC Alvarado
    I recently put an ocs packet together but had to stop because it was too late, also the their is no age waivers right now. I have a bachelors and am pursuing a masters and wanted to complete through geen to gold. I their a good chance to to be picked up for master degree option. My pt is great, i have a 2.89 gpa on my bachelors and meet the requirements with no waivers.
  • SPC Lang
    5/6/2012 4:06 PM
    I want to go GTG but i want to know if there is a program for dental assistants? My commander gave me info for the AECP which i was considering but i prefer to go to the dental profession. Do you know where i can get the information for that if any?
  • 2LT Nunez
    5/16/2012 12:21 AM
    SPC Alvarado, There is a chance for what you want. I just graduated with my masters through the G2G Program and commissioned yesterday. I had a 2.98 GPA for my BA but PT and everything else was superb to include letters of recommendations. Some folks start with their masters with no intent on completing during the 2 year because it isn't necessary because you only need the Bachelors to commission. Of course I wanted to complete but some folks took the minimal number of classes and took it easy. You must keep a high GPA during the program. Try to have a 4.0 because grades are 40% of your evaluation to whether you get your Branch.
  • SGT Mathews
    5/17/2012 4:33 AM
    Anyone with answers,
    Im currently deployed and still working on my 60 credit hours so this is obviously all dependant on when I finish my last semester hours, Im not gonna bog you down with the same repetitive questions just some specific ones. My background information first:

    SGT Promotable
    TIS:4 years 10 Months
    MOS:31B (MP)
    Schools include: WLC, Airborne School, Protective Services Training Course and Anti-terrorism driving.
    PT: 277
    GT Score:109
    ...1 year of team leader time, 24 months deployed in both Iraq and Afghanistan, CAB and Drivers Badge, 2 ARCOMS, 1 AAM, 1 NATO MEDAL, 1 Good Conduct Medal.

    1)In your experience have you heard if being promotable will hurt my chances being in an enlisted MOS that is even strength in regards to retainablilty (not letting anybody in and not letting anybody out)

    2)Letters of recommendation-Im currently serving as a driver for the Deputy Commanding General-Support of the 82nd Abn Div so I will have no issues getting some pretty decent letters of recommendations. Obviously leadership time and courses, PT and GPA play a huge role but do you have any view or opinion on how heavily Letters of Recommendations are weighed?

    3)I knew i was not going to college at the end of my high school junior year (THAT BAD) so I didnt take an ACT or SAT, my high school GPA was terrible so I have spent alot of time and effort on my college classes. For arguements sake i finish with a 3.5 in college, terrible high school GPA and no ACT or SAT. Will a university even come close to touching me?

    4)If I have 60 semester hours but no focus and no associates degree but a few core classes (maths, sciences, history etc.) is that something that the board reviewers might bring to question when looking at my ability to obtain a B.A. in 24 months?

    Let end by saying its too often during a PCS or TDY to an ARMY school that you can find absolutely NO information and only a packing list from 1995. This blog is a great thing for soldiers and NCO's trying to advance their career and you have done a great job keeping this up. Thanks for all the advice and information.
  • marc
    6/17/2012 12:05 PM
    i just found out i was accepted into the program. Hopefully more post here to find out what they were looking for. my stats are as follows

    1 MSM
    7 Arcoms
    4 AAMs
    1 MOVSM
    1 CIB
    3 deployments
    letter of recommendations include 2 COL 1 LTC 1 CPT
    Distinguished Honor grad MOS
    commandants WLC
    commandants and Leadership award ALC
    272 PT (not 90 in each event)
    active federal service waiver
    civil conviction waiver (10 years ago)
    64 + college hours
    GPA 3.6
    numerous job assignments

    hopefully more post so we know what the board is looking for

  • Gabe Gaskins
    6/17/2012 6:59 PM
    How did you find out you got accepted?
    • james climes
      6/17/2012 11:08 PM
      Gabe you will find out that you got accepted by Ms. Pringle the G2 of ROTC cadet command, you can also check you status by this website: Any other questions, feel free to ask, and Good Luck!!!
  • 2LT Tennant
    6/17/2012 10:29 PM
    Congratulations. Just think, two years from now you'll be sitting in my shoes. It feels great. I'm glad to hear all of your hard work has payed off. BTW, this is when the fun begins. Not so much the school part, more the PCS in the coming months. After getting selected, getting orders, and actually moving the family is tough. Best of luck to you.
  • marc
    6/18/2012 6:04 AM
    2LT Tennant

    Your blog was extremely helpful throughout the process. I appreciate you keeping things going for the last couple of years. Congratulations on the commission. The 2LT looks better than CDT. Best wishes and thanks again for thread
  • 2squareU
    6/18/2012 5:45 PM
    Don't rely too heavily on that site. Get in contact with Cadet Command. I found out I was accepted via email from HRC who notified me that I will need to reenlist to get my assignment/orders to school. Good luck to all!
  • 2LT Tennant
    6/18/2012 9:07 PM
    Yes, yes it does. I'm glad I could be of assistance.
  • Doc Andre
    6/18/2012 9:33 PM
    2LT Tennant,

    I got accepted conditional for administrative but it did not say that I what exactly I needed to do in order to get my orders. Will I receive more information from CC, HRC or do I have to call HRC. I know I will have to extend since my ETS is in FY14 but the letter did not specify what administrative data I need to complete.
    • Andy Tennant
      7/1/2012 2:19 PM
      They'll let you know if they haven't already. Be proactive in finding out your answers from Cadet Command
  • Maximus
    6/22/2012 12:55 AM
    I just got accepted into the Green to Gold ADO too
    SPC 2 years TIS
    1 ARCOM
    2 AMM
    GT SCORE OF 112
    PT SCORE OF 285
    GPA OF 3.46
    68 credit hours
    no waivers whatsover and also 1 deployment
    I would encourage any qualified soldier to apply, as it is obvious no one knows exactly what the board requires in terms of selection, as I honestly wasn't expecting to get selected and I already was working on my non scholarship packet
  • Emigdia Ruiz
    6/28/2012 5:16 AM
    SO you would have to be accepted first then you can start the process. Do you have any suggestions on the schools to apply to. I'm on the trail right now have a femonths left to end my run as a drill sgt. i have a 3.78 gpa. i just really don't know how to start the packet that's my biggest problem.
    • Andy Tennant
      7/1/2012 2:21 PM
      Go to the GoARMY site and find their green to gold ADO page. You'll have to create a login and the packet is spelled out in checklist form with instructions. It's a confusing site, so be patient. This is also where you'll submit the final packet.
  • James climes
    6/28/2012 6:48 AM
    Ok I hope this will help everyone on here striving to get into the Green to Gold ADO. First ensure that whatever school you apply to is military friendly and has a ROTC DEPT. In my case I applied to Armstrong Atlantic state university. Not only did they work with me, they expedited a lot of the process because I was OCONUS. Do Not I repeat DO NOT go to a school where assistance from the university takes weeks to occur. As far as the packet, start with the major stuff getting accomplished now, such as the family care plan, if applicable, waivers, all that good stuff. In the last 3 months before submittal, you should have your recommendations from you units commander and battalion commanders. Also recommendations from supervisors and other officers that work with or around you will only help your cause. The PT test and your DA photo are huge items. Ensure they are current within the 3-6 month window before submittal. You need acceptance letters from the school, and the ROTC department signed by a colonel or above. You also need transcripts from all schools attended. You need the last 3 copies of your NCOER, a ERB (Ensure it is up to date) a security clearance (interim or higher) DODMERB physical, and those are just some of the many things they look for. They base potential off of what you put in the application box. stating your purpose to become an officer needs to be real and honest, not the fluff others state and never do. I was accepted into the program because of my exploitsmasma army soldier and my potential to be a great officer. MSMs and high decorations are nice but won't make your way into the program. I say this because two of my running mates who applied that were much younger and seemed more accomplished didn't get in. I was selected in the top 25 they didn't make the top 150 so itmgoes to show what you do, and how you carry yourself, oh and as lt tenant says confidence, prayer and belief will allow you to see the goal. Hope that helps
  • Military Spouse
    7/1/2012 5:41 PM
    My husband got accepted into the G2G ADO!!! We are thrilled!! We had no idea that he had to have 4 years on his contract before starting school! That has been very frustrating since he just extended and he is not in his window to re enlist! We have been waiting for almost 2 weeks to hear back! Make sure u have 48 months on your contract!!

    • Jay Hill
      7/9/2012 12:43 PM
      Hello, I am curious in this program and I am currently on Active duty I was wanting to know when you stated that the packet for ADO goes to a board is there a board you have to physically attend or is it somethign you submit for revewal and they identify if they you are aprroved for the program.
  • James climes
    7/10/2012 9:50 AM
    To jay Hill. You do not have to appear before a board. All you do is wait patiently and pray. If you are deemed future potential, you will be selected. Ensure that you have 48 months left on your enlistment from the date you would commission.
  • Ashley
    7/16/2012 2:57 PM
    Ok so I just got accepted to the ADO progran but I am in the middle of a PCS. Who do I talk to about this? I start school August 16th and my report date to my next duty station is August 10th.. Its confusing because I have orders to report to my next duty station but no orders for the ADO program because they are waiting on my medical remedials to get cleared up. Another question when I do get my orders how does the inprocessing work with getting signed into school.. Is it like a regular unit or how does this all work out? PCS entitlements still a go even though I am PCSing to a new duty staion? thanks for anyone that can help..
  • Gabe Gaskins
    7/16/2012 4:49 PM
    Did you get orders yet? It should have a website on it explaining that you have to in-process online with the Fort Jackson, SC Student Detachment. Its like your S-1 but only online. If you were put on assignment, and you especially have your orders and all, they should have cleared or approved your waivers. I might be wrong about this. I was waiting on my civil conviction waiver for like one month and all of a sudden Mrs. Slaven emailed me saying I was on assignment and that this coming Wednesday I can pick up my orders. All this info should be on your orders.
  • Ashley
    7/18/2012 6:55 AM
    No orders waiting for my medical remedials to go through... suppose to take a few weeks... how about the whole PCS process do you know? mrs. slaven is your installlation person? or your talking about the actual cadet command in fort knox?
  • Gabe Gaskins
    7/18/2012 7:03 AM
    You get the same PCS entitlements and active duty pay plus BAH even if you are single automatically once you inprocess on like with Fort Jackson, SC. call Mrs. Thomas at (803) 751-5491 if you have questions about the Student Detachment in SC. She is pretty nice! And I am talking about Mrs. Slaven at fort knox.
  • Ashley
    7/18/2012 8:40 AM
    Does everyone have a diffeent person in fort knox?? I have Mrs. Pringle corresponding with me but when I emailed her about my problems I didnt get a response.. do you have a number for Mrs. Slaven?
    • Andy Tennant
      7/18/2012 10:55 AM
      Keep getting on them at Knox, and try to get the POC at HRC. There's some traffic around June/July 2010 on the armystudyguide forum that has a number for a Ms. Slaven. When I came through, she was the one who tracked whether or not you were put on assignment. If she is still there, she will help straighten out your PCS orders. Also, Ms. Pringle was there when I came through too. Just remember that she's dealing with about 150-250 people that are going through the same thing you are. Be patient, but persistent with your needs.

      As for how the PCS works, your orders will have all of the contact information you need, once you receive them. You'll clear your current station and "report" to Jackson through e-mail. They have a laundry list of docs you need to submit, but once that is complete your school has control of you. If you're PMS (Professor of Military Science, aka LTC/BC) requires you to submit leave paperwork and passes, you'll submit them through United States Army Student Detachment (USASD), the unit your assigned to at Jackson. Other than initially reporting to Jackson, the only contact you have with them is for info like your PHA and annual training (SERE, etc.)

      I heard through the armystudyguide forums that some selectees from last years board had to get pushed to the spring semester until they could PCS. Take heart, they still made it. Just be patient, you've made it through the hard part.

      Good luck,

      LT Tennant
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    7/18/2012 8:43 AM
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  • Jamie Burke
    8/15/2012 3:20 PM
    Hi! I am SGT Burke and I was wanting to ask you a question about the green to gold program. I am wanting to submit my packet next April. When choosing a school does the actual school have to offer ROTC or could I do that elsewhere. I am really confused as to how that works. Thanks in advance.
  • Doc Andre
    8/17/2012 8:52 AM
    SGT Burke, you do not have to do your ROTC and Academics at the same school. You can do them at two separate schools just as I am currently doing starting this Monday. I am doing ROTC at UTSA and my academics at Wayland Baptist. You just have to get accepted into both schools and get the letter of acceptance from the PMS
    • Jamie Burke
      8/17/2012 11:58 AM
      Doc, thank you! So if I am applying at the University of Colorado then would I need to do my ROTC at a school nearby?
  • Doc Andre
    8/18/2012 5:20 PM
    Yes unless you don't mind traveling. My two schools are about 20 miles apart. I am in San Antonio
  • Jamie Burke
    8/19/2012 5:38 AM
    Thank you so much for the clarification! I am going to be going for my masters degree, does the program have to be exactly 2 years long? What if it is only a year and a half, am I still able to do the ADO?
  • Doc Andre
    8/19/2012 6:17 PM
    It doesn't have to be exactly two years in the ADO you have 20 months with a maximum of 24 months to complete your degree...I have less than two years also for my bachelors so I am stretching it out if you know what I mean.
    • Jamie Burke
      8/20/2012 3:09 AM
      Thank you once again for all your help!
    8/21/2012 8:36 AM
    I was selected for the ADO option and started school yesterday in my Master's program. I am excited and thrilled to be here but my concern is that I will not be able to 1. finish my degree or 2. maintain a high GPA. Most of my classmates are only taking 3 classes each semester in this Master's program and I have to take 4 plus ROTC each semester to finish in the time allowed. Though I plan to do everything I can to finish my Master's in the 2 years given, someone said earlier that it is not required and I just want some elaboration on that and how did you find out about it if this is true? I know to be an officer only requires a bachelors which I have but I thought since I was accepted in the ADO G2G for my Master's that I had to Graduate with my Master's in order to commission.
    • Andy Tennant
      8/22/2012 12:43 PM
      Congratulations! I'm not sure how it will work out for you, James. I would say that so long as you have a Bachelor's, you'll be fine. Once school gets going have your HR rep track down the answers to your questions. Be prepared, however, there isn't very much documentation and, from my experience, the ADO program on the administrative side is full of be prepared for that.

      As to the time it will take for completion, you'll be fine. I started my masters program the summer I left for LDAC. I completed 12 hours over the summer (I spent a month at LDAC), and then 12 hours in the Spring and Fall Semester (plus ROTC responsibilities) of my final year in the program. Also, I had a third child at this time. I didn't intend on getting my Masters when I started ADO, but it just made sense. This being said, not all Masters programs are created equal. I would say, though, you should just be fine. Remember, your are now a Cadet and your focus as a Cadet is on academics...period.

      Best of luck to you.
      • JAMES
        8/24/2012 8:06 AM
        Andy Tennant,

        Thank you. I'm going to see how this semester goes taking 4 graduate classes and my ROTC. Thank you for letting me know about the summer too because I want to take some classes in the summer as well to cushion the blow for next fall but I wasn't sure how that would work with LDAC. did you take them online? did you finish your classes before LDAC?
        • Andy Tennant
          8/24/2012 8:39 PM
          All of my classes were online and I coordinated with the instructors prior to LDAC. I ended up getting as much as possible done before I went and finished promptly after returning home. It was a lot of work, but I managed to do it. I took 12 hours over that summer.
  • J.Bostic
    8/21/2012 2:45 PM
    I am thinking about applying to G2G. I am going to have nursing as a major, but I read even though I have a nursing major I can still be put as infantry. Is this true?
    • Andy Tennant
      9/8/2012 2:29 PM
      Unsure. The Army has been pushing for nurses, so if you decided to major in Nursing and you want to be a nurse, you'll most likely be a nurse. But, there are no guarantees, although the nursing program seems to be one that might offer the closes glimpse of a guarantee.

      Good luck.
  • Ian
    9/6/2012 6:18 PM
    I'm a green to gold ADO cadet this year. I'm about 3 weeks into school now. I'm just wondering if I'll be competing with the other cadets on the OML or if I'm guaranteed an active duty slot?
    • Andy Tennant
      9/8/2012 2:33 PM
      Congratulations! It gets easier from here, and enjoy the down time with your family.

      You are guaranteed Active Duty, however you will still be competing for your branch. Be mindful, the top 10% of the Active OML get their first branch choice. The Active duty OML and THE OML are not the same. On THE OML, I was l4%, but once they removed the Reserve and Guard Pax, I moved up to around 8.5% on the Active Duty. Still got my branch of choice, just know the difference.
  • SGT Burke
    9/29/2012 3:02 PM
    So I have another question..When applying to a university do I have to actually have to attend the college face to face or can the program be done online?
  • Doc Andre
    9/30/2012 3:14 PM
    You don't have to physically attend the college, you can do it online, as long as you physically attend for your rotc courses and labs.
  • Spc D'Addosio
    10/14/2012 1:55 PM
    I have currently been in the Army for 18 months now on active duty status. I'm currently deployed as well. I know it's been said over and over throughout the forums that u need 60 credits to begin to drop a packet. Now I came in a PV2 and made SPC in 14 months. I know that's not like making E-5 in a very short time, but that's still an accomplishment for me. I'm interested in the green to gold. But my only concern is, I'm not very computer literate. I need to be in an actual classroom environment. Is there a program that I can do that'll just keep me focused on school and not having to worry about my current duty station? ( ex. like your papers saying Ft. Jackson, but your main priority is school) If their is a program like that, would you be able to tell me who the POC would be or where I can start. ( i.e. HRC, my S-1 and etc)
  • SSG Cardenas
    10/21/2012 9:10 PM
    2LT Tennant, Do you have any idea on how long you can apply for the G2G-ADO before you have all the required credits? I am currently OCONUS in Okinawa, i am currently knocking out my coursework and should have the remaining credits within a year. If I drop a packet will it get kicked back, even if I get the acceptance letter from the ROTC school itself? If you, or anyone else can answer this for me i greatly appreciate it.
    • Andy Tennant
      10/25/2012 1:32 PM
      Your completed credits must be included in the packet. If there is a waiver for that, which I don't believe there is, contact Cadet Command and see what they say.
  • ms. pearson
    11/4/2012 12:28 AM
    im in desperate need of a template for my recommendation letters if you could assist me
  • SSG Vela
    11/7/2012 8:57 AM
    Just wondering how old were you when you applied for this program? Is their and age limit.
  • SGT Burke
    11/8/2012 7:21 AM
    Question: If I already have a Bachelors degree can I do ADO Green to gold to get a different Bachelors?
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  • Army medic
    11/9/2012 7:25 PM
    I was hoping someone is able to she'd some light... I am currently a reservist and would like to go active duty. I am a medic so I am also exploring HPSP however I would prefer to go the ROTC, OCS, or direct commission route. I am receiving conflicting information and hope to find information to make this process as smooth as possible. I have competed my undergrad, therefore making the green to gold program for my masters ideal. I am also 28 so the clock is ticking for G2G scharship eligibility. Any insight would be more than appreciated!
  • Army medic
    11/9/2012 7:25 PM
    I was hoping someone is able to she'd some light... I am currently a reservist and would like to go active duty. I am a medic so I am also exploring HPSP however I would prefer to go the ROTC, OCS, or direct commission route. I am receiving conflicting information and hope to find information to make this process as smooth as possible. I have competed my undergrad, therefore making the green to gold program for my masters ideal. I am also 28 so the clock is ticking for G2G scharship eligibility. Any insight would be more than appreciated!
  • ty
    12/7/2012 2:24 AM
    Hi, I am currently active duty with 36 college credits from online classes, and 24 credits I've earned from basic and, ait and I want to go green to gold active duty, do i qualify?
  • James
    12/8/2012 8:23 AM
    I noticed you were stationed at Fort Bragg then had to move. Is this because you had to for the program or because of the school you choose? Also was your wife allowed to stay on Fort Jackson or did she have to stay off base while you attented school ?
  • Frank
    12/17/2012 6:48 AM
    Hi, I am a future soldier still waiting for shipdate and had a few questions in regards to the Green to Gold program.
    1)I have 21 university credits would i be able to apply for the 4 year scholarship program after serving 2 years of active duty?
    2)Would i be able to stay in the same MOS as 15 tango after being in school?
    3)Do you receive the same amount of pay as active duty if you are in the scholarship program?
    4)How long do you need to extend your contract? Or do you server the remaining years of your contract that is unfinished?(estimation according to your experience for the contract extension)
  • Ross
    12/30/2012 11:36 AM
    I am just looking for some one to point me in the best direction. I.E. Is my first step getting accepted to the school or should I talk to my chain of command first.
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    1/1/2013 9:15 PM
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  • Pv2 stevens
    1/12/2013 6:10 PM
    How many college credits did you have before submitting your packet??
  • SGT Vargas
    1/26/2013 12:44 PM
    CDT Tennant,

    I'm glad that I have found someone willing to share their experience as far as submitting a green to gold packet, I only wish I had found this discussion board sooner. This is my my second time applying for the green to gold program, but this time I am am applying for the ADO. My packet is almost done and I have submitted most of my forms already, I am just waiting for a few more signatures. The due date for this packet is Feb 1 so I was hoping you could answer a few of my question before then. First, I never could find an example of the Statement of Eligibility memorandum. The example on the cadet command web page was not a good one. Do you still have an example of what this form looks like? Also I have a 3.9 GPA, a 300 PT score and many awards, but what I am worried about is the fact that I only have 60 credits. When I filled out the CC Form 104-R I had to take classes in the summer as well in order to fulfill my ROTC classes. I know that I will have to go to LDAC the summer of my junior year, so do you think I will still have time to take classes some time in the summer? If you have anymore last minute pointers you could give me before the due date I would really appreciate it.
  • SGT Jeremy Schlieve
    2/4/2013 10:15 PM
    CDT Tennant,

    Thanks for posting some great information on this site. I've submitted my ADO application last month and I'm currently playing the waiting game. I've noticed quite a bit of questions concerning OCS and recruiters. I haven't read every question and response, but I feel inclined to offer some helpful advice, including tips for ADO applicants.

    I've been an Army Recruiter for the past two and a half years and have had the pleasure to help process eight or nine OCS applications. All of the hints I will give are in reference to those applicants being selected as non-Prior Service select for OCS, or 09S.

    The first thing I recommend is to ensure your essay, or personal statement, is written properly. Stating why you want to commission, or to be an Army Officer, is important to the Board Members. Many blogs, forums, or other informational sites state that this is just a formality, WRONG! Cadet Command, or Recruiting Command, Board Members are not only interested in how well you communicate, but also your sincerity level and desire to do what they are currently doing. Don't just write, "I want to be an Officer because blah!" Take the time and put some thought into Army Leadership and what it means to you. Include some key words, such as, Honor, Loyalty, Duty, Courage, and Self Respect; Army values and Warrior Ethos go a long way. For any current or former NCO's, there should be mention of mentorship and it's importance for the proper development of subordinates, etc.

    Double and triple check all of the necessary documents for completeness. It's important to pay attention to detail, when either applying for ADO, OCS, WOFT, and other programs. Common errors and possible non-selects come from lack of attention to detail. Review the CC104R for accuracy; someone at Cadet Command reviews this information (the same goes for the applicant to OCS and WOFT), don't just think that because it's your tentative class schedule that someone won't review it for accuracy.

    There is information released to ROTC Commands about the board results, a type of AAR for that specific board. This information is confidential but if you're really concerned, contact the ROTC program you're applying to about any statistic on previous selection board, the same goes for OCS/WOFT. They might be able to review your application before you submit it to determine your chances.

    One last thing about your overall packet, submit only what is asked for. Like any E-7 and higher board, every packet is reviewed, placed in sequential order based specific criteria, and the elimination beings. Your record is reviewed against your "peers" and the board determines the minimum qualification for selection; they also know how many slots they have and need to fill. Records are given another look to determine which packets meet that standard. From what I know, there is three initial categories, something like selectable, possible select, and non-select. This goes round and round, until the slots have been filled. There might be an applicant that has a 3.8 GPA, 300 APFT Score (300+ doesn't exist, so review TC 3-22.20, appendix A if there is confusion) and not require a waiver, but isn't selected do to ERB incompleteness (including uniform errors or awards not appearing on ERB but are indicated on the uniform), recommendations from the applicants CO and BN CO not being strong enough (for anyone that has had to write an NCOER or award, officers and experienced NCOs can write in such a way that on the surface seems strong, but in essence is indicates weakness), and other paper work errors. I don't say this to deter anyone, but waiver's aren't that challenging for the board and don't mean that you don't stand a chance, either does an outstanding APFT Score. For NCO's applying, I would suspect that if you've ever had a 1059 that indicated Commandant's List or Leadership Awardee, etc, you stand just as good a chance as any.

    If anyone has any question that they have for OCS, ADO, or WOFT please shoot me an email I'm only on recruiting for a few more months but would be happy to help anyone that needs it.

    SGT Schlieve
  • SGT Schlieve
    2/4/2013 10:25 PM
    I should caveat my previous post with, I don't want, nor do I intend to recruit anyone by giving them the above information. But for those currently serving in the Army (Active, Reserve, or NG) that need help with an application for ADO, G2G, OCS, or WOFT and have exhausted all avenues of approach, shoot me an email.

    SGT (P) Schlieve
  • Greg
    5/31/2013 6:04 AM
    when doing a green to gold packet where is the board for it usually held at? im asking this because im currently stationed in Italy.
  • Fary
    6/13/2013 9:54 AM
    Does any body knows about the age requirements (or where to find about it) for ADO?

  • SSG Jeremy Schlieve
    6/13/2013 10:16 AM
    It's 30 years old, but age waivers are authorized. You must be able to commission by the age of 34.
  • Andy Tennant
    6/16/2013 12:53 PM

    Thank you for continuing to post and using this board as an avenue to communicate. I'm mostly writing in apology to those of you that have written, to whom I have not replied. This last year has been incredibly busy for me due to both personal and professional reasons...flight school is no joke to those of you planning to branch Aviation. I'm also writing to say that due to these reasons I will not be readily responding to all posts on this board, however I encourage those of you in search of answers and those of you that have answers to use this as a forum. That being said, many of the questions that have been asked are entry level questions (e.g. the information is available on the goarmy site, etc.), and the answers are readily available on multiple sites. If your desire is to become an officer, or any professional for that matter, you MUST do your own research and not rely on others for the answers. Seek out the regulations, READ them, and exhaust all resources (e.g. this blog and other forums). That being said, I am encouraged to see so many people actively seeking this program, and I pray that the Lord's will be fulfilled for you.

    I will continue to check this site periodically. God Bless, and best of luck.
  • Wilson C
    7/7/2013 4:55 AM
    I have read a lot of information regarding the strength of applications to the undergrad program. I seek information/opinion regarding the "ideal" packet for a Masters' application. I am currently putting together my packet for the 2 year Masters ADO and my stats are as follows:
    TIS: 2 years
    Rank: SPC
    Already possess 4-year Bachelor's Degree
    High School GPA: 3.70
    SAT Score: 1980/2400
    College GPA: 2.98 (BSc in Economics, majored in Finance)
    Applying for an MBA (Masters in Business Admin - focussing on Accounting & Finance)
    1 deployment
    2 AAMs, 1 ARCOM
    APFT: 260
    GT Score: 131

    Do I stand a good chance of getting accepted in your opinion?
    Kindly advise.
  • SPC Shafer
    7/14/2013 9:54 AM

    I am in the army now as active duty and I am undergoing the process for ADO. I have a two year degree already in CJ but I am not interested in continuing that major. I was wondering can I just complete another two year degree or does it have to be a BS. Also if I have to transfer credits over and the school does not give me enough for me to complete the degree in two years, will I be DQ if I have to take three years? I know it said ADO was for two more years but I didn't know if they waiver it.
  • PFC Battle
    7/17/2013 4:23 PM
    I've previously been to college for 2 years, my grades were terrible. I admit I've messed up a lot in the past with college. The question I want to ask is, even if I'm maintaining good academic standing now, will my past mistakes prevent me from entering the program?
  • SSG Jeremy Schlieve
    7/18/2013 9:06 AM
    SPC Shafer,

    You will have to apply and be accepted to a College/University, at that time you'll be able to select a degree major. You have to complete a full four year degree for the ADO program. There happen to be a couple options and you'll need to speak to an ROTC MS Professor for options that pertain to your application. In any event, you may not have enough credits for the program due to the fact, as you say, the school not giving credit for all of your classes.

    I hope this answers your question.
    SSG Schlieve

    PFC Battle,

    They can, due you not meeting the GPA minimum for selection. I was in your situtation for the last board and wasn't selected, I was apply for the non-Scholarship option. That being said, I had a 3.0 GPA but didn't have much by way of the SLA.

    I hope this helps!

    SSG Schlieve
    7/26/2013 1:46 PM
    do I should wait to finish my associates degree to start my packet?
    I need one more semester to finish, so I should be done in December...also do the army have any preference for specific degrees?
    do I should contact the ROTC office of the school I want to go?
  • SGT Chambers
    8/12/2013 4:18 PM
    I was curious the GTG program will only accept a Bachelor's degree or would one be able to complete an Associate's and then do continuing education once being back on active duty. My predicament is that I am 30 years old now, I only have 9 credit hours from a community college, and obviously not be able to swing a Bachelor's in 21 months. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  • Jonathan
    8/18/2013 7:16 AM

    Quick question. I have been to three different colleges. Do I compute my own CGPA or do I have the college I am transferring to, calculate my CGPA based on the credits they accept towards my degree? Thanks for your time.

  • SSG Jeremy Schlieve
    8/19/2013 9:17 AM

    You want to apply to one college and have them calculate your credits to determine your GPA. Remember, some colleges have a requirement that a transferring student must complete a specific number of credits before a transcript evaluation be completed.

    SSG Schlieve
  • SPC Rodriguez
    8/30/2013 9:14 PM

    I've been in active duty for 2 years and I have a bachelor degree already. Because my GT score is 98 I'll be taking the fast classes this September 2013 to rise it. Other than GT score, I meet all the initial requirements for Green to Gold Active Duty option. Do I have to wait to get the GT score results to start building up the packet for Green to Gold Active Duty option or can I go ahead and get some of the things from the check list? How long could it take get the packet done? I'm stationed in Fort Hood right now. Do I have to PCS to another location if I get selected?
    8/31/2013 3:45 PM
    SPC Rodriguez,

    No, you do not have to wait to get your GT score up prior to building the packet in fact the sooner you get the packet/checklist done the better. I was enlisted as an 11c for 2years and went green to gold using the hip pocket scholarship, awarded by my CG. I can only speak from my personal experience but the entire packet start to finish takes roughly 6 months. Unfortunately there isn't much that you can do to speed this process up there are a lot of fire rings you must jump through it's a big wait game... but in the army we are all use to this. Also and just a FYI you have to have a minimum of 110 GT so take that fast class seriously it's you future!

    PS: I know a lot of this is about G2G ADO however I can answer questions about G2G Hip pocket scholarship... Currently a Senior pursuing my BS in Criminal Justice, then off too commissioning as a 2nd LT.
  • SPC Dumas
    9/3/2013 8:51 AM
    I am currently getting ready to PCS from my unit, and going to another but I have already started to complete my G2G ADO packet. Just wondering what is the earliest that you can submit your packe prior to the deadline? I also would like to know do I need to wait until I get to my gaining unit before I start all of the memos and etc that are required.
  • PV2 Kamara
    10/22/2013 10:11 PM
    Hello. I have recently PCS'd to Hawaii and this is my first duty station. My long-term goal in the military is to become commissioned as an officer. I have been doing much research on the Green-to-Gold Program. What I am not getting a clear answer on though, is whether one still has to go through OCS after completing the Green-to-Gold program.....Or is it a direct commission?
  • Jade
    10/23/2013 7:25 AM
    PV2 Kamara:
    My husband is currently in the G2G program. When your in school your in the ROTC program while your also going to school and getting your degree. So you will not go to OCS. You will graduate and commission basically the same time. My husband graduates the 1st week of may and the next week he will commission!:) hope that answers your question.
  • Robert Mendez
    5/23/2014 3:06 PM
    Hello Sir, I am currently an active duty Sgt 11B 1 deployment 1 arcom, Combat infantry badge and a Ranger tab. I am interested in going Green to Gold but I do not believe I meet all the requirements. I only have one year left on my current contract for one, I have an AS degree but I graduated with an overall gpa of 2.3, and I would have to retake the asvab because I only have a GT score of 104. What are my chances Sir?
  • Pfc Brian avalos
    10/6/2014 8:59 PM
    I've been in the army for 17 months now and I'm considering doing green to gold. My question is. Does the time I spent in college count towards retirement?
  • SGT Gines
    12/5/2014 2:47 PM
    Does ADO need a division level GO approval. Reason being is I have suspense date of 20DEC but in the FRAGO it only is talking about the Scholarship option. Everything I read about ADO is that it requires cadet command approval only.
  • 2LT Climes
    12/8/2014 9:22 AM
    for the G2G ADO, it does not need a GO approval. It is great to have a reccomendation from a General officer, but as long as your company/battery/troop commander (CPT level and above) reccomendation, then you are fine. Once you submit the packet that is on the page for G2G ADO, and submit online. You will be fine. A board convines and then you will be notified withine 4-6 months. Check back periododically with the website, but be cautious if you have to talk to the liason. she can be very short answered and easily tempered. Happy hunting, and if you need any more help please contact me by email.

    2LT James Climes
    Executive Officer
  • SGT Colón
    12/8/2014 8:07 PM
    How is everyone doing? I have a few soldiers asking questions regarding how Green to Gold works
    and if they can apply. Some of the soldiers have Permanent Profiles of no running, would that affect their process?

    Thank you for your time.
  • 2LT Ray
    12/8/2014 8:38 PM
    SGT Colon,
    To put it simply, they will not be able to compete. I feel as if they should know this already. Not sure of their situation but I'd suggest they do research into alternative methods. Green to gold will not work for them.
  • SSG Schlieve
    12/9/2014 9:14 AM
    SGT Colon,

    They could compete for acceptance, but those accepted will usually be without a profile. Simply put, they can try alternate methods, such as OCS, but they will do the same thing. If your Soldiers have degrees, B.A. or B.S., they would probably be picked up for the Masters Degree Green to Gold.

  • SSG Merchan
    12/29/2014 2:52 AM
    Hello I want to apply for the active duty option, but I Have a couple of questions?

    1. I have a GPA of 3.67 but I only have 68 credits (this is including credits from parts and jst, I only have 46 towards my associete degree in business) do you think this is enough to submit an application?
  • 2LT Andre
    12/29/2014 7:17 PM
    You only need 60 total credits to apply, as long as the school you are pursuing accepts you as a Junior, for the fall semester, upon which you will enter then you will be good. That is all Cadet Command requires from the school, along with acceptance into the ROTC program. Good luck with your packet.
  • SSG Merchan
    12/30/2014 12:24 AM
    2LT Andre,

    Is there an specific format or template for the recommendation letters from the CO and BC, thanks.
  • SSG Merchan
    12/30/2014 3:18 AM
    If I get selected can I use TA to cover some of the tuiton cost???
  • 2LT Andre
    12/30/2014 8:38 AM
    It's just a normal recommendation letter, so whoever writes them should use their office symbol and letterhead, the same ones typically used for memorandum. Also, to answer your other question, you still not be allowed to use TA, just your GI Bill, but you should also file for the Pell Grant to see if you qualify
  • SSG Merchan
    12/31/2014 7:54 PM
    2LT Andre,

    Thank you for all your help,

    1. For the statement of eligibility I have to use the MILPO letter head, which is S-1 right?

    2. How did you submit your official transcripts to the cadet command, specially the Military transcripts?

  • 2LT Andre
    1/1/2015 10:35 AM
    Yes, or your unit. If you can get your s1 to do it for you it would be good but I pretty much follow the examples from the website and did everything myself and just got signatures from those that required it. My s1 wasn't much help. As far as the transcript, I just got an electronic version or you can scan and upload them. They don't want them mailed, as long as it has the official seal on it, you'll be fine
  • SSG Merchan
    1/4/2015 2:08 AM

    My goal is to attend school online, I was wondering if I do that will I be able to live in the same location of the university (same city), and also attend ROTC in the same university,
  • SSG Merchan
    1/4/2015 1:33 PM

    How hard was to get in aviation?
  • 2LT Andre
    1/4/2015 10:01 PM
    I don't know if you will be able to do attend a straight online academic school and just do ROTC elsewhere. I know last year they were trying to get kids to do take more traditional classes. I don't think there will be problem attending the same school for academic and ROTC in the same city.
  • SSG Merchan
    1/4/2015 11:28 PM
    I'm sorry if I didn't explain myself too well. I applied for an online degree at Florida International University and I also applied for the ROTC at Florida International University. Both will be taking place at the same university. However instead of taking campus courses, I want to do online courses. Is that possible? Can I do the FIU online college and attend ROTC at FIU or do I need to do the on campus courses?
  • SSG Narvaiz
    1/13/2015 3:25 PM
    I uploaded all required documentation to the goarmy website for the green to gold active duty option. Is there any contact number that I can utilize to find out if everything was submitted correctly? I have yet to get an answer on any number I have called.
  • 2LT Andre
    1/13/2015 10:05 PM
    SSG Merchan,

    It all depends on what your PMS says so you should ask the HR personnel at FIU and see if it matters or not.

    SSG Narvaiz,
    Mrs Pringle and Ms Slaven are the ones you need to find the contact for at CC.
  • SPC Schaffer
    1/14/2015 1:19 PM
    I have been active duty for 2 and a half years and want to do the Green to Gold Active Duty Option.I already have an Associates Degree from my previous college but I also have 121 credit/semester hours which I was told was equivalent to the amount of hours for a Bachelors Degree. I was wondering if someone could tell if this is correct?
  • SSG Merchan
    1/16/2015 7:48 PM
    2LT Andre,

    If I'm doing gtg ado. After finishing my bachelor I will become an officer at what point do you know if you go active duty or reserve. Also for BOLC when do you get school dates?
  • 2LT Andre
    1/16/2015 8:04 PM
    With G2G ADO, you will automatically get active because you owe the Army. As far as BOLC school date goes, you should know your branch during the later part of the fall term of your senior year, we found out in November, we didn't get duty station and BOLC dates until late March/early April.

    SPC Shaffer, I would read prior messages on this board for additional answers you may need. You are correct, a Bachelors is usually 120-144 CH, depending on the degree. If I were you I would find a school that would accept you into their Masters program, because you have too many CH to do for the undergrad. Good luck
  • SSG Merchan
    1/17/2015 12:05 PM
    2LT Andre,

    Oh ok, so what are you doing during those 5 months while waiting for duty station and BOLC dates?
  • 2LT Andre
    1/17/2015 12:22 PM
    Finishing your senior year or last year of grad school...conducting ROTC operations. The ado program is 20 months of school so at you are accepted to start this fall. You will be in school from Aug '15-May '17. During your senior year you will be tasked with running day to day ROTC operations, ftx, honor guard, etc.
  • SSG Merchan
    1/17/2015 12:38 PM
    Thanks for the help. So during that time I will be having a 0-1 pay grade? Or continue with my E-6 pay grade
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  • SPC Hannon
    1/23/2015 3:35 PM
    Hi I apologize if this question has been asked already. I plan to drop a green to gold packet to start school Next spring (2016), I am currently supposed to PCS in March of (2016) can I still drop a green to gold packet or would my new unit have to agree to let me go to school first?
  • SPC Jallah
    1/27/2015 11:14 AM
    I'm seeking the hip pocket scholarship opportunity. Are there any moderators that have completed this or are familiar?
    I want to know what a typical class profile looks like. I believe I am competitive but I am finishing my undergrad this year and will be applying for graduate school in fall of 2016. Is there any information you can provide as to how much higher than the cutoff I should be scoring?
  • SPC Jallah
    1/27/2015 4:31 PM
    I meant the Active Duty Option ROTC. The Hip Pocket Scholarship is my alternate plan of action. I want to know what the competition is like for applying for ROTC as en enlisted soldier.
  • SSG Merchan
    2/2/2015 1:07 AM
    Does anybody know what to do after uploading all the forms into the application? I don't see any submit link. How can you verify that the entire packet or all the forms were received by cadet command?
  • SSG Fahey
    2/25/2015 11:08 PM
    No comment.
  • SSG Fahey
    2/25/2015 11:11 PM
    SSG Merchan

    Yeah, so I messed that up before, disregard my "no comment" post... Anyway, I asked the same question about the uploaded documents to Cadet Command a couple days ago, they emailed me back saying they were starting the process of going through packets today, looking for discrepancies and such. I would assume that if all is good they will let us no, and same for if anything needs to be fixed... Does the link to check your application status work for anyone on the website?
  • SGT Galluzzi
    2/28/2015 6:44 PM
    SSGs Fahey amd Merchan,
    I'm not having any luck with the 'Check Your Application Status' link either. I submitted my final document yesterday and am anxiously waiting for a response from CC. Please post about any activity with your application, and I will be sure to do the same. Fingers crossed!
  • 2LT Andre
    2/28/2015 7:05 PM
    Hey guys, once the packets are in for review you won't find anything out until late May early June. But if there's something they need from you they'll give you a call or email so hopefully you provided a good contact info. I wouldn't stress it, it's no longer in your hands, just pray and hopefully you all get it. Best of luck to you all.
    3/5/2015 1:33 PM
    I am patiently waiting. submitted mine on the 27 Feb.15 Will be praying for everyone and you do the same.
  • SSG Merchan
    3/7/2015 9:53 AM

    The link to check the status of the packet doesn't work. Did you guys click the submit button on step 2 of the check list. When I talked to Mr. black, he said to upload all forms to your application and that's all. Did you guys did anything extra in order to submit the packet, I hope mine was received
  • SSG Merchan
    3/7/2015 9:55 AM
    Did you guys received an email saying your packet was reviewed already?
  • SGT Kuehne
    3/9/2015 7:17 PM
    First off good luck to everyone. So I submitted my paperwork in full on 25 FEB 2015, however when I spoke to my ROTC rep at my school (Xavier University) he said that he could not find my name on the list of applicants for this year in their portal. From previous posts I see that many of you are having trouble with the "check the status of your application" link, I am as well. I have also not been able to reach CC/ROTC/HRC to verify my application was received; does anyone have any advice or input to verifying that an application was properly submitted and received? (I too spoke to Mr Black on 25 FEB who stated that uploads and the Step 2 submission button we're all that was needed.)
    3/9/2015 8:23 PM
    Hey SGT KUENE. If you send an email to the link underneath the check my application status link on the ROTC website someone should get back to you. I sent an email to that link a few days ago asking if my packet was received. Today, I got an email back stating that all my document were received and they would notify me of any deficincies or missing docs. Hope that helps and good luck to you too.
  • SSG Merchan
    3/9/2015 8:37 PM
    SSG Fahey, thank you for that info I just sent the email to see if they received my application. All I did was hit the submit buttom on step 2 in order to generate the cc form 174-r and upload all forms into step 4 of the checklist.
  • SSG Merchan
    3/11/2015 12:34 AM

    I received an email today saying that my packet was received and I had a small correction, which I already send to them. They also stated in the email that anybody with corrections on their packet must fix it and turn in before march 20, 2015 and the selection board will take effect on or around April 06, 2015.
  • SGT Ramirez
    3/16/2015 2:54 PM
    Can anyone please tell me how they submitted their official JST transcript? I submitted my packet this year, and just received an email that I have until 23 March to submit an official JST (previously submitted an unofficial one because I couldn't find an official).
  • SSG Merchan
    3/16/2015 2:57 PM
    Downloaded from the JSt website and send it
  • SGT Ramirez
    3/16/2015 4:49 PM
    SSG Merchan,

    Thank you for the reply. That is how I originally submitted it. I'll have to call Mr. Black and see if it's just an oversight, or they might not have received it. I've already had a problem with them not receiving a waiver request that I sent in months ago. Good Luck on selection!
    3/20/2015 11:50 PM
    I too received word back from CC about a deficiency with my Transcripts. They gave me a 26 MAR revision date. However, it was easily correctable. Out of curiosity, what are your stats for those who applied ADO? Sorry if this comes off douchey, just want to know where I stand. Mine: 3.68 GPA w/ Bachelors degree, 119 GT, currently NCO of the Year, previously Brigade Soldier of the Quarter, promotable (570pts w/o ALC), WLC CL grad, 300+ APFT, Air Assault badge, 4 AAM, 3 ARCOM.

    If anyone finds out word of acceptance please post POC as I will as soon as I hear anything.

    SGT Davidson
  • SGT Casey
    3/23/2015 10:06 AM
    I was wondering if anyone else heard that you lose all of your schools if you go Green-to-Gold, ie Airborne? Does anyone know where this information is?

    SGT Casey
  • SSG Merchan
    3/23/2015 10:19 AM
    No, you will keep your awards and schools. They can't take your achievements away
  • SGT Ramirez
    3/23/2015 5:04 PM
    SGT Davidson, my awards are the same, but I have an Associate's with a 3.87 GPA, 300+ APFT, airborne, 112 GT, NCO of the Quarter, also promotable but with 554 points without ALC.
  • SPC Gonzales
    3/24/2015 3:49 PM
    Can you begin the Green to Gold Program this coming Spring 2016 on a Masters program or it has to be a Fall beginning? I am going for the Green To Gold Non-Scholarship.
  • Joe Kuehne
    3/25/2015 9:10 PM
    I was wondering if anyone has received confirmation on when the results of the board will be posted? I have seen two different dates; NLT 30May15 and NLT 30June15. Just trying to plan ahead like I'm sure many of you are. Thanks in advance.
  • Merchan
    3/26/2015 2:45 AM
    Your Green to Gold application is now complete (pending any waiver requests)
    and is scheduled to be reviewed by the selection board (o/a 6-10 Apr 2015).
    You will be notified of any pending waiver decision upon receipt (if
    applicable). Winners will be notified no later than 30 Jun 2015. Do not
    hesitate to email or call if you have any questions. You may submit any
    letters of recommendation to your file.
  • PFC Han
    3/27/2015 9:37 AM
    So on March 12, I received an email saying 'I have the minimum documents to review your packet. You will be notified of deficiencies' from Mr. Tilburg. Then, few days later he sent me those deficiencies and I sent the documents back. He said that he will extend my due date until the 25th, but I didn't hear anything back from him confirming that he has all the required documents since although I sent him like 4 emails asking whether I am missing anything.

    I have 81 credits and 3.81 GPA majoring Biology, 2220 SAT Score, 128 GT score, 348 APFT, Dentac Korea Best Warrior/ Soldier of the Year, Pacific Regional Dental Command Best Warrior/ Soldier of the Year, Dental Command Best Warrior/ Soldier of the Year, and will compete in Medical Command Best Warrior COmpetition in May, BUT I have to get two waivers which are Time-in-Service and Training Service Obligation.. Will the waivers significantly decrease my chance of getting accpeted?

    This is making me super worried not hearing anything from him.. I mean he is very very slow with his email and never answer a phone call. Should I just wait? Please help me out!! Thank you so much!

  • SGT Galluzzi
    3/27/2015 10:16 AM
    I'm also tracking that we will be notified no later than 30 June, although I haven't received confirmation that my packet is complete like SSG Merchan has. It seems like most of the candidates that have been accepted have heard some time around the beginning of June.

    SPC Gonzales,
    You have to begin your program in the Fall so that it lines up with the ROTC program requirements you have to complete.

    PFC Han,
    Go back and read Mr. Tilburg's e-mail identifying your deficiencies. It should contain instructions on how to submit your corrections. As long as you followed his instructions, you should be in good shape. You can always submit your corrections a second time through an alternate means if it would make you feel better. I wouldn't stress out over it; you sound like a great candidate, and I wish you the best of luck!
  • PFC Brown
    4/8/2015 5:27 PM
    Real quick. I am a 3 year scholarship applicant
    GPA: 3.4
    PT: 261 (I was coming off a profile when i got this score, previous 2 scores were 288 and 286 respectively)
    Recommendation letters from a COL, LTC, and MAJ (all personal and well written)
    Strong recommendations from my CO and BC
    Dont have many awards since ive barely been in 2 years but i do have a MOVSM and a couple coins
    Waiver already approved by DODMERB, and I have one waiver request for Training Service Obligation

    All in all Im trying to figure out my competitiveness and any insights as to how 3 year scholarship awardees are considered, Ive only been able to judge by the ADO
  • PFC Brown
    4/8/2015 5:40 PM
    Oh forgot to mention, I am pursuing a degree Biochemistry. I think that should help my application a little right? haha.
  • PFC Brown
    4/8/2015 6:13 PM
    Eh, might as well go for a 3rd post
    I understand SAL is no longer required but mine was already submitted prior to the announcement.

    I have been on a committee that oversees changes in the unit
    I run PT for my section to include NCOs' and Officers'
    Was team CPT 2 years in Varsity football as well as Position leader for 3 years on the Varsity
    Earned A's in classes while on active duty so far
    Over 100 hours this past year in Volunteer work with Big Brother Big Sister (this was mentioned in some of my Letters of recommendation

    *As a side note, on my reason for why i should be an officer, I didnt use any extra paper or space like it said I could. I kept it clear, short and concise, filling the box given, but nothing more. Will that hurt or help?

    Sorry for the abundance of posts, didn't know if all this extra stuff I mentioned would help shed light on my chances. I promise this is all.
  • Joe Kuehne
    4/14/2015 2:46 PM
    So today in the Mail I recieved an email from DoDMERB indicating that they have received and reviewed my medical exam, however they are requesting further documentation as to a permanent profile I have for very minor hearing loss. Does anyone know if this means that I passed the initial review and this is the next step in the acceptance process? Or is the medical done at the same time as the actual packet review? Furthermore, my contact at my university told me that my status in their monitoring system indicates that I am "eligible", again does anyone have any insight to what this may mean? Thanks in advance and as always good luck to you all. -SGT K
  • SGT Davidson
    4/14/2015 6:13 PM
    SGT Kuehne - You won't be considered "qualified" until DoDMERB sends you a letter notifying you of such. (Alternate option is logging into your account of the webpage, I found out sooner through that avenue). I too had to provide further documentation for a surgery I had a few years back. Provide them with the information they asked for so that it can answer any doubts they may have. Otherwise, it may delay the process even more if they have to ask for even more documentation. Obtain inpatient/outpatient records pertaining to the hearing loss/profile. I recommend you fax and email your information, then hit them with a courtesy call for good measure. I did that and I feel like it expedited the process because I received a "Qualified" letter the following week. Best of luck to you. Hopefully we hear word back soon about how the board went.

    SGT Davidson
  • SPC Lorona
    4/16/2015 4:54 PM
    I am also an applicant for the ADO program. Recently I logged into the DODMERB and also had a remedial action need. Instead of waiting for the letter or email to arrive, I emailed them directly at the address provided. They responded very quickly told me what I needed to fix. They said they would process it ASAP. Just like many of you, I am also very anxious for a notification. I am currently on orders to go to Korea on 10 Jun and would like to cancel my orders before making my way over their. Good luck to all of you. -Spc Lorona
    4/26/2015 7:11 AM
    Hello CDT Tennant
    This Is PFC XUE, I am currently serving in the U.S Military Army Branch
    acitve duty, station in South Korea. I am very interested in Green To Gold Two Year Program since I already have an associates degree in Business Administration. I don't know which of the four options in G2G two-year program that I am best suited. I am seeking for your advice.
    Here is a bit of my background.
    Enlisted date : 03042014.
    PCS to next duty station( Naples, ITALY ) :07302015
    ETS : 03042018(4 years contracts end)
    current GT SCORE 100, I will re-take ASVAB as soon as possible.
    MY DOB is 1988,09,09 .
    U.S citizen.
    Never been committed of domestic violence crimes .
    A.S degree in Business admintration with GPA 3.985
    PT Score 295
    Favorable Clearance level
    No Medical issue
    Single with no kids.
    no record of violation.

    here are some of the question that I have regarding to this program
    am i eligible for G2G two year program ? does an associate degree meet the requirement ?

    1. which of the four option that fits my situation the most in Green To gold two year program ?
    A; 2year active duty option ; B, 2 years scholarship option ; C 2 years non scholarship option. D.Commander's Green To Gold Hip Pocket Scholarship Program , 2 years.

    2. minimum 2 year active, so the earliest time i could apply need to be after 03042016 since i enlisted date is 03042014. Should i aim for fall 2016 admission in G2G two year program?
    3. what are the courses under "G2G two- year program" i need to take in order to graduate?

    4. How many years in service i am obligated to serve upon graduation from G2G two year program.

    5. Can I become a reserve officer ?

    6. Do i have a chance to choose the filed of branch that i intend to serve ? like finance branch,

    Looking forward to hear from you as soon as possible
  • SGT Galluzzi
    4/26/2015 9:19 AM
    PFC Xue,

    We don't need all of your dates, especially your DOB. Please take that off of your post (it's PII).

    The important thing about your associates degree is that when you develop your four year degree plan, it allows you to complete your bachelors in exactly two years. Make sure this is the case. If you are transferring credits to a different institution, they may not translate.

    You can start working on your GTG packet now for the Fall 2016 school year.

    Your course schedule will depend on your chosen major.

    If you are selected for the Active Duty Option, the current service obligation is 4 years active duty.

    You will stay active duty, you can't go reserves if you get the ADO.

    You will be able influence your branch; any officer will be to go into detail about how that works.

    It sounds like you just started looking into the green to gold program. Do some more research and speak with some of the officers in your unit. They will be able to answer a lot of your questions and give you a little insight into what ROTC is like. Spend some time learning about what distinguishes the different GTG program options from each other.

    Don't stop taking college courses, and keep working on your writing skills.

    Hope this helps.
    5/2/2015 2:34 AM
    LT Tennant,

    Thank you for creating this blog. It's been very insightful.

    I have a question for you.

    If you did not receive the Green to Gold Active Duty option. Would you have re-enlisted and continue your career as a future NCO in active duty to keep the BAH, BAS, active duty pay, and Tricare Prime for you and your family. Or would you leave the service?
  • G2G Air Assault
    5/16/2015 11:59 AM
    I got accepted as of 13 May 15 to the G2G ADO. Did anyone else get awarded yet?
    5/16/2015 1:45 PM
    I was accepted 13 May as well, and already returned my award letter.
  • G2G Air Assault
    5/16/2015 3:22 PM
    Congrats GTG SSG. What school will you be attending? I'm going to UCCS. Do you have to reenlist with an RCP Exception to policy?
  • SGT G
    5/17/2015 4:08 AM
    Congrats to you both! How did you find out, email?
    5/17/2015 4:36 AM
    G2G Air Assault and G2G SSG, what were your APFT scores, GT scores, and how many letters of recommendations did you have on your G2G ADO packet? What do you think gave you guys the edge over the other hundreds of rejected Joes?

    5/17/2015 4:38 AM
    Also, would you guys have reenlist in the U.S. Army if you guys did not get the G2G ADO or pop smoke?

    Cheers and congrats to you guys both on winning this lottery.
  • G2G Air Assault
    5/17/2015 2:52 PM
    SGT Tong -- It is a mystery to many of us how CC chooses its candidates. In my personal opinion, I think that they are looking for Soldiers with potential and drive. LDAC Leader Development and Assesment course assesses future officers and helps the ARMY decide who is going to get the branch they want. I say this because even though some candidates have great GPA and lots of awards, they were not selected. In my case, I had no awards or deployments when I applied. Also, I think that they are looking for specific degrees in STEM. I think CC is looking for individuals that go the extra mile to stand out from their peers and demonstrate potential. Again, this is only my personal opinion. If anyone else has anything to add or correct me on, please do so.
    SPC (P)
    TIS 4 Years
    Air Assault Badge
    GAFPB (Gold)
    Expert marksmanship (M16)
    300 PT Score (Took a PT Test every month for 5 months until I achieved it, lowest was 271)
    GT 117
    Recommendation from COL and CPT
    No deployments
    Associates Network administration, pursuing Information Technology

    I encourage other Accepted ADO Soldiers and NCOs to post their personal thoughts to help future applicants.

    Here is another great forum.

    5/17/2015 3:45 PM
    I found out via email to my commander with the award packet on 13 May. I am going to Troy University. My GT was only 112, with 300 APFT, and a 3.8 GPA. I only had the 2 required recommendations. I heard that there were only 75 selectees this year vs. 150-200 in previous years. I'm not sure what exactly they were looking for, because I only have normal awards. GTG Air Assault, I thought that was only for too much TIS for rank? All I know is when I talked to retention, he said I'm not quite in my reenlistment window, but getting approval back shouldn't take more than a week. SGT Tong, I was not planning on reenlisting if I was not accepted. I would have ets'd next year and attended ROTC while using my GI bill
  • GTG Air Assault
    5/17/2015 4:02 PM
    GTG SSG, When I returned my acceptance letter I received an email from HRC with instructions to reenlist for 48 months after the start of my school year. From what the email said and my calculations, the reason why one reenlist is that if one falls out of the program before the two years then the Army will at least get their two years back. Now when one commissions, the contract is discarded and an Officer contract begins. That is the minimum 3 years active duty and the remaining 5 on reserves if one decides to get out of active duty. I am also not in my reenlistment window neither. However, when I showed retention my email they didn't hesitate to start the process.
    5/17/2015 4:26 PM
    G2G Air Assault and G2G SSG,

    I expected this year's G2G ADO selectees to be low with all the budget cuts. If you were one of the 75 soldiers awarded this life changing opportunity from the thousands of soldiers that apply, then congratulations!

    What I am getting here it seems is that the Army tends to award G2G ADO to soldiers that score close to 300 APFT, GT score 110 minimum, GPA 3.5+, STEM majors, basically being an all-around high speed soldier with all the above.

    I appreciate you guys for giving me some insight on your experiences. I was honorably and medically discharged from the Army in 2011 after serving 6 years, however my wife is interested in OCS or G2G ADO and since we have a family, I don't think it's wise for her to ETS if she does not get accepted to both because we will lose BAH, BAS, and Tricare Prime. ROTC does not guarantee any cadets an active duty slot as these highly coveted slots are competed for nationally across all ROTC units. I heard from ROTC commanders telling me only half of cadets gets active duty from every graduating class. For our family, not being in active duty under any circumstances will be detrimental to our financial well-being as the National Guard and Army Reserves does not give active duty salary, BAH, BAS, and Tricare Prime benefits unless they are activated for deployments.

    I want to thank you both very much for your insight. I will share this to my wife.



  • 2LT Climes
    5/18/2015 6:02 AM
    To SGT Tong,

    I am a recipiant of the Green to Gold active duty option. I applied while I was stationed in Japan. I got accepted and I wasnt the typical high speed 300' Soldier that people assume you need to be. What it comes to is other credentials that the Army seeks. In a nutshell, The Army needs adaptive leaders, leaders that can improve every time. If your NCOER shows stellar every time, then it doesn't show a adaptive leader, just another check the block NCO, and who knows how or how strong their mettle is?! The point is that as long as your wife shows that she can lead at any level, can think and adapt quickly, and her GT, NCOER's (if she is a NCO) and other areas are on point, then she can get the ADO like I did. I'm living proof that people will tell you you cant get to places in life, but I started out as a 68W PFC, moved up as a SSG, and then switched over due to the G2G ADO. I'm a soon to be 34 year old (by that time 1LT) with 14 years TIS. If I can make it, yourr wife can too. If you need any assistance with the ADO for your wife, by all means send a response and I will send my outlook email, and we can go from there. Best of luck to you and your family!!

    Supporting Victory!!!

    2LT James Climes
    Echo Company 1-61 Executive Officer
    Ft. Jackson, S.C
  • G2GHopeful
    5/27/2015 11:50 AM
    I'm actually in a waiting pattern for Active Federal Service and Age. I've been notified that my ADO packet was approved pending waiver approval by the Cadet Command CG. So I nervously have my fingers crossed for this one. As far as stats, I put in my packet for ADO to complete my Master's Degree. I had a 3.59 GPA for my bachelor's degree with a 292 APFT score, as 112 GT score. I currently have 12 years TIS and I'm 32 years old and currently a SFC with 4 years TIG. So "fingers crossed" hopefully I hear something soon
    5/27/2015 5:00 PM
    2LT Climes, thank you and I'm happy to hear that from you.

    G2G Hopeful, would you stay still stay in active duty and compete your 20 years as NCO if you don't get accepted to G2G? Also, have you applied for OCS since you already have a bachelors degree? Is OCS harder to get a slot than G2G ADO?

    With the Army's downsizing and budget cuts, I miss the good old days when I was in 2005-2011.
  • G2GHopeful
    5/27/2015 5:50 PM
    SGT Tong, unfortunately I wouldn't have a choice but to stay active duty, I've already reenlisted indef.... I attempted to get into ADO 3 years ago, but I was too close to graduating so the PMS wouldn't accept me so I had to finish my degree before I applied again.... At this time, my age would make OCS tough especially since they've lowered the age to 28 I believe, however, they haven't been able to fill all the slots for OCS classes for the past two years and I know some people that have gotten in with an age waiver even though the site says theres no age waivers... I prefer to take the ADO route because my big goal was to complete my Master's degree and I also wanted a better chance at being able to get my branch if I was ranked high enough... Historically, OCS gets the last remaining leftover branch allocations, so getting the branch you want is pretty tough to do compared to ROTC... As far as green to gold, from what I've heard it has gotten extremely competitive... 5 years ago, they didn't have enough applicants to fill all the slots and now there's a high number of applicants and hardly any slots.... I actually spoke with someone from Cadet Command and they did confirm that only 75 packets were selected this year... So, I'm hoping that the waiver process is merely a formality, but we shall see... It would be pretty damn disappointment to get a congratulations letter then turn around to hear that my waivers were denied...... But we'll see what happens... I'll keep you posted
    5/27/2015 6:05 PM
    G2G Hopeful,

    Thank you for your reply. I sincerely hope that you get accepted to G2G ADO.

    Worst case scenario, do another 8 years to retire and make $100,000/ yr. as defense contractor.

    Keep us posted about your status in G2G and good luck bro.
    5/27/2015 7:31 PM
    GTG Hopeful, Congratulations! I know that they are working on waivers. I had my dependency waiver approved on the 12th. Mr. Wildhagen is great about putting you on assignment as soon as everything is a go. SGT Tong, I can definitely understand how getting out would not be a good option without having a job lined up, and the uncertainty of getting active duty upon ROTCROTC completion. GTG ADO was a lot more selective this year, but is still obtainable with hard work. Good luck to your wife, and good looking out! I did a lot of research the past 3 years before I was able to apply and be accepted.
    5/28/2015 6:40 AM
    G2GHopeful: I'm currently in the same boat as you. I received a congratulations email the end of April but was told I wouldn't receive an offer until my conviction waiver is approved (mind you it's for speeding tickets I recieved before my enlistment). This delay in receipt of this amazing opportunity has been rather nerve racking especially with waiverless applicants already gaining offers. Did they tell you where your waiver is sitting right now? I got word that mine was with G1 and was sent to Legal for review. Not too familiar with the whole approval process, just hope it fares well. Best wishes to you and hopefully we have some positive news to share with this board within the next few days.
  • G2GHopeful
    5/28/2015 9:45 AM
    SGT Davidson, I know that feeling.... I'm damn near a nervous wreck about this.... Quick story about how I found out... I called a week ago because I hadn't heard anything so the person I spoke with so "I sorry, your packet wasn't selected", so I went on and started to figure out a plan B... The very next morning, I get an e-mail from the exact same person I talked to the day before stating that my packet was selected and my AFS waiver is awaiting CG approval. I called and sure enough, my packet was selected and the person I spoke with kept apologizing and had even went into an explanation as to why they may have given me inaccurate info. So now, after the big let down of being told I wasn't accepted, to being told my packet is approved but wait again has become a very tense experience... So we'll see what happens from here but this whole process really does lack transparency and is very nerve wrecking...

    GTG SSG, Congratulations... Where are you attending ROTC at?
  • GTG Air Assault
    5/28/2015 12:02 PM
    Congrats to current winners, and to those still waiting just keep holding on tight. I know it is a long process but I'm sure it will be worth the wait at the end. Has anyone gotten their orders? What's your report date and when is your class start date. I'm still awaiting an RCP exception to policy approval from HRC before I can reenlist and get my orders. Any attendees to UCCS ROTC?
  • SSGMaybe
    5/31/2015 12:36 PM
    Mine has been approved but going through the waivers process. I have 300 PT score, 117 GT Score and 5 years TIS. Hope to hear back from them soon with good news.
  • SSG Merchan
    5/31/2015 1:20 PM
    I'm also waiting on 1 waiver!!!!!!!
  • Getting ready
    5/31/2015 5:05 PM
    So I tried to do Green to Gold last year and fell sort in get accepted to a school as a junior for the ADO option. Now Im getting a jump start on my packet for this upcoming board and I've been accepted as a junior at the school I want to attend (just have to change the term to Fall 2016 when it opens). I have a couple questions:

    1. What format do the letters of recommendations need to being i.e. memo, form? and do they expire after a certain point (wanting to get them now)

    2. Im really confused with the whole DoDMERB and process, seems lengthy; what does in entail ( Im a recruiter right now and not close to any normal "Forts")

    Well thats all the questions I have of now.. thank you for any responses!
  • G2GHopeful
    6/1/2015 10:44 AM
    Fingers Crossed!! Anybody hear anything about their waivers? I just got to work today and looked at my ERB and my AEA code has changed to an X, which is the ROTC code with a date of June 2017... So it looks like I got in, however, I called the Cadet Command POCs and they haven't received my paperwork back yet, so hopefully this isn't a cruel joke... I called last week and spoke to someone about the waivers and apparently there is an 8 step waiver process and as of last Friday, my waiver was sitting at step 6 of eight, then this morning, I came in a saw that my AEA code on my ERB had changed. I'm not celebrating until I received some kind of official confirmation though...

    Getting Ready,

    I had a buddy that was in a similar situation that you were in, they drove to the nearest base which was 3 hours away at the time... However, I'm pretty sure that you can go to a civilian clinic or hospital and get the exam done, you'll just have to print off the forms and take them with you. If you're active duty, Tricare will cover the costs of the exams, but it does take a while to get it all done. As far as recommendation letters, this year the packets changed, so the letters weren't necessarily a requirement, but I'm sure as long as your recommendations are in regular Army writing style, that should be fine.

    Where is everyone going to attend ROTC at? I'm going to St. Mary's University in San Antonio, TX
  • G2GHopeful
    6/1/2015 11:54 AM
    So the wait still goes on.... So now after seeing the change on my ERB, I get an email stating that its a precautionary change that HRC does to avoid any orders being generated prior to the packets being accepted and if the waivers aren't approved, the code gets removed!!! This whole process is ridiculously stressful and agonizing!!! This is almost like some sort of cruel joke!!!!
  • G2G 2015
    6/1/2015 3:22 PM
    Yeah this is ridiculous!
    6/1/2015 4:16 PM
    GTG Hopeful, it is Troy University but ROTC host school is Auburn University in Alabama. I was stationed at Rucker and the colleges down there accepted all of my credits towards a Bachelor's in Economics. Good luck to everyone waiting on waivers and congratulations for making it this far! I'm leaving Alaska in 30 days and my classes start 12 August. I hope to see all of you at LDAC next summer
  • G2G 2015
    6/1/2015 4:30 PM
    G2g hopeful.. Who gave you the wrong info? I think it happened to me too
  • G2GHopeful
    6/1/2015 5:16 PM
    G2G, I got my bad info from a Mrs. Barnes.... I was first told I didn't make it then told the next day after receiving an email saying about my packet pending waivers that it was accepted. Then I look at my ERB today and the AEA code on my ERB is changed to an X which is the ROTC stabilization code, then I call, and they don't have my packet on hand and say its still with the CG's staff, then I get an email that the ERB code is just precautionary, which pretty much pointless to do, seeing as I just PCS'ed here and Im dual military, so there was virtually no risk of me being placed on assignment. As of last Friday, my ERB did not have that code, but sometime between Friday and today it changed, so I'm at a loss for how this whole process works.... Its far from the process of a centralized board where the packets go up and a list is generated... Needless to say I'm a bit irritated with the rollercoaster ride of this whole process.... Ok off my soap box....

    G2G 2015,

    Good stuff... I'm stationed at Fort Sam Houston and trying to go to St. Mary's University for ROTC, but my academic portion will be at the University of the Incarnate Word for my Master's degree, I tried to make the transition as painless as possible for my family since my wife is active duty and is stationed at Fort Sam as well, so it would just be a simple local PCS for me right down the interstate... Congrats!! Hopefully I'll see everyone at LDAC
  • G2G 2015
    6/1/2015 5:37 PM
    Yeah it is pretty bad. I am already losing hope. I have no idea what is going on and they never answer their phones. This has been the most unorganized process I have ever been through. If I don't get selected I don't even know if I would wang to reapply next year. It has been that bad for me....
  • G2GHopeful
    6/1/2015 7:14 PM
    Well, Im pretty late in my career with 12 years, so the prospect of me getting selected keeps decreasing as each year passes... I couldn't get in a few years back because I was too close to completing my bachelor's degree, so I finished my degree and applied this year.... Just this year in October the age requirement went down from 35 to 30, so that forced me to need an age waiver as well as an AFS waiver.... Unfortunately, I've reenlisted indefinitely so I'll be forced to finish out my 20 on the enlisted side, something Im not looking forward to doing at all... I'll have my fingers crossed thats not the case though
  • G2G 2015
    6/1/2015 7:38 PM
    That's not too late. This girl I knew applied 2 years ago and she had 14 years and she got accepted. I hope you do too. I only have 8 years but need AFS waiver because I will be one month over the 10 year mark when I graduate. If I don't get accepted I seriously don't know what else I could do to make my packet any stronger. I have always worked in the next higher position. I have strong NCOERS, pt test always high 290, nco of the year, NCO of the quarter, DHG ALC, jumpmaster, and I play softball and I am the coach for my battalion softball team. I don't know what else they would want.
  • G2G 2015
    6/1/2015 7:44 PM
    Oh and 115 GT and 3.4 gpa.
  • G2GHopeful
    6/1/2015 7:51 PM
    Yeah.. I know the feeling... Sitting 12 years in 112 GT score Bachelor's degree with 3.59 GPA, 292 PT score... Audie Murphy and SGT Morales Club, 4 deployments... Been a PSG and OC, Air Assault, Great NCOERs and all that good stuff... At commissioning, I'd be 14 years 2 months TIS and 34 years old.
  • G2G 2015
    6/1/2015 7:58 PM
    Yeah see so I don't know. I saw the stats for the guys who did make it and we are about the same with them. Except we need waivers. One guy with a waiver got approved he had 10 yr 8 months. I guess we just have to wait. I just think it's absolutely ridiculous.
  • SSG Merchan
    6/2/2015 11:52 AM
    I'm sitting on the same boat, my erb has a code x but I'm still waiting for a final answer.
  • Getting ready
    6/2/2015 4:10 PM
    Hello all,

    So it doesnt matter what format the letters of recomendation are in? I have some that are done now in standard Army memo format and want to make sure the those and future ones are good to go. Good luck to everyone still waiting!
    6/2/2015 7:25 PM
    G2GHopeful - I shockingly received a signed approval memo just as I was about to sign off for the day today. My processor is Mr Tilburg and communication with him majority of the time was rather difficult. He also CC'd me in a message addressed to Mrs Barnes asking her to generate my acceptance letter. This is such a relief as I was already initiating a direct commission packet and wasn't looking forward to go through the wait game all over again. Let me know when you hear back and once again best wishes on gaining the "approval". I'm sure you should find out shortly if not already.
  • SSG Maybe
    6/2/2015 8:10 PM
    SGT Davidson, congrats!!! I called the ROTC recruiter at the college I want to attend and was told that the only thing they are waiting for is a signature from cadet command. I will call Mrs. Barnes in the morning to see if I can find out anything else. I really hope I can get that acceptance memo.Goodluck everyone!
  • SSG Merchan
    6/3/2015 11:16 AM
    Does anybody has any information aboit the waivers?
    6/3/2015 11:45 AM
    SSG Maybe - Thank you! I just received my acceptance letter this morning. They don't waste any time once that waiver is approved. Call/email your processor and checking with Mrs Barnes won't hurt either.

    SSG Merchan - the status of your waiver should be able to be looked up by your ROO at your ROTC program or the person processing your packet. My waiver had to go to G1 then to Legal then back to G1 for final approval.
  • G2G 2015
    6/3/2015 5:06 PM
    G2G hopeful.. I'm still waiting.... Anything new for you? Or same boat? I was told mine was in the queue for review..
  • G2GHopeful
    6/3/2015 5:13 PM
    G2G 2015... Another day of hopelessly staring at my computer screen waiting to receive a message.. I was told the same thing... Guess we'll be going through another day of torture waiting to find out... Where are you stationed and where are you trying to go to for ROTC?
  • SSG Merchan
    6/3/2015 5:41 PM
    Guys, we will get an answer sooner than later. My POC at CC said all waivers are working their way through the CGs staff.
  • G2G 2015
    6/3/2015 9:51 PM
    I know I constantly check my computer screen for updates... I am stationed at Fort Meade and going to University of Maryland.
    SSG Merchan I have heard that since the beginning of May lol
  • SGT G
    6/4/2015 2:52 AM
    I would definitely recommend contacting mr. Tilburg or mrs. Barnes if you havent heard anything yet. I got my acceptance letter yesterday after I spoke with mrs. B. It turns out they emailed my commander a week ago but he hadn't passed it along yet. My AEA code hasn't changed to 'X', so I wouldn't rely on that as a solid indicator for anything if you have yet to hear. Congrats to all of you who have already been accepted, and I'll keep my fingers crossed for the guys still waiting on waivers etc!
  • SSG Merchan
    6/4/2015 8:31 AM
    I don't have Mrs. Barnes number, can yoou please post it?

    My POC at CC is Mr. Sedlak
  • G2G 2015
    6/4/2015 5:52 PM
    G2G hopeful.. Another day :( still nothing
  • SSGMaybe
    6/4/2015 9:07 PM
    I am still waiting too. The person who can give me information about my medical waiver is on leave until Monday. So until then, I don't think I will know anything else. Keep your head up, Hopeful!
  • G2G 2015
    6/5/2015 4:33 PM
    G2G hopeful, I got the news today. My waiver was approved and I'm getting put on assignment. Have you heard anything?
  • SSG Merchan
    6/5/2015 4:36 PM
    Congrats man, what was your waiver for? And who notified you.
  • G2G 2015
    6/6/2015 7:28 AM
    SSG Merchan,
    My waiver was for TIS. I will have 10 years and 1 month when I commission. My command was notified. Also I am a female.. What waivers do you need?
  • G2G Applicant
    6/6/2015 10:42 AM
    Is there anyway to know if all recipients have been notified?
  • SSG Merchan
    6/6/2015 11:05 AM
    G2G 2015,
    Sorry about that, I need an age waiver, I will be 32 the day I commissioned. Which school are you going?
  • G2GHopeful
    6/8/2015 10:25 AM
    I just called Cadet Command this morning and found out my AFS and Age waivers have been approved!
  • SSG Merchan
    6/8/2015 10:56 AM
    I received an email with my waiver approved, they said my chain of command will be notify about your application.

    Congrats G2G hopeful
  • GTG Air Assault
    6/8/2015 1:41 PM
    Congratulations G2G Hopefull, SSG Merchan, and all other winners! Make sure that you triple-check your notification letter and orders. There have been many errors and typos, including mine. HRC had my school, state and school start date wrong. Is anyone going to UCCS ROTC?
  • G2GHopeful
    6/8/2015 3:10 PM
    Congrats SSG Merchan and G2G 2015!!

    G2G Air Assault, I'll be at St. Mary's University in San Antonio, TX for ROTC, Academic portion is at the University of the Incarnate Word
  • chihiroso
    6/15/2015 1:21 PM
    Did anyone apply for the hip-pocket scholarship?
  • SSG Hankins
    6/17/2015 4:06 PM
    I have not heard anything from anyone yet. I applied for ADO. Has anyone received results yet?
  • G2GHopeful
    6/17/2015 4:49 PM
    SSG Hankins,

    I know myself and a few other people on here have received our official notifications and offers... From what I was told, the day that I found out (almost two weeks ago) the last of all the waivers had been signed off and all candidate should have been notified and people are starting to receive their orders. However, I could be wrong because most people I've seen on here received at least an email notifying them that they were or weren't selected. I would call cadet command and see if you can get a good answer as to the status of your packet. Try 502-624-7371... That is the contact info for Ms. Barnes.... Good luck... Hopefully they'll have some good news for you
  • G2G Air Assault
    6/18/2015 3:26 PM
    Who else here has received am email with the in processing packet. On the TO line there is 76 recipients. (Yes I counted that's that mean that those are all the winners, since there was only 75 slots +1 I guess.
  • G2GHopeful
    6/18/2015 7:16 PM
    G2G Air Assault, I caught that too.. lol... I received my inprocessing packet two days ago... I'm pretty sure that email contained all the winners
  • SSG Merchan
    6/18/2015 7:35 PM
    I'm glad to be in that email also. Congrats to everyone who made it, I will see you at LDAC.
  • SGT Curious
    6/23/2015 2:01 PM
    What is a typical schedule like for ADO? non scholarship cadets? Is there a formation daily? Do you do unit PT? Is everyone the same? I'm curious to see how it works. Please let me know. Thank you!
  • SSG Maybe
    6/23/2015 3:49 PM
    I received the inprocessing packet. Still waiting on the final say so on my medical waiver. Ms. Thomas said it got approved though. I just need one last signature. I hope I get my orders soon though. School starts in August and I just found out I have to reenlisting before I go. They said reenlisting is mandatory for all. did anyone else have to reenlist?
  • G2GHopeful
    6/23/2015 5:57 PM
    SGT Curious,

    It varies with the ROTC program... Some have to do PT 2-3 days a week, my program has the luxury of PT 5 days a week (sarcasm).... As far as class schedule, you pretty much dictate your schedule with the exception of you mandatory military science courses and labs... For me, my MS classes meet Monday and Wednesday at noon for 75 minutes and the lab once a week on Wednesday afternoon for 2 hours. The rest of the days are up to you depending on how you set up your class schedule. Some people even have an online option... I'm going to class on campus on tuesdays and thursday nights, just to give you an idea of how much flexibility you have with your schedule... So there is plenty of free time to do what you gotta do to be successful.

    SSG Maybe,

    I'm old... Didn't have to reenlist, I'm indef already... lol
  • SGT Curious
    6/23/2015 6:13 PM
    Thank you for the info, now another question for you. Which ROTC program r u at? If I went to the school do you think someone would be willing to talk me? I have tried to go through the school contacts here on Bragg and I'm just getting tossed around to different people all different answers. Also, as long as you have credits to get you into your junior year you don't need your associates degree the school I'm in now. I have enough credits but applied to my "degree program" I need 2 credit hours..... Which, I found out mid semester after being told I would graduate this semester. So my plan of starting my packet will have to be pushed to the right until I get these last 2 credit hours or if I have enough to transfer now it won't matter...? This is the only place I have gotten any type of answers and I want to thank you for that!!
  • G2GHopeful
    6/23/2015 7:03 PM
    Sgt Curious,

    I will be attending ROTC at St. Mary's University in San Antonio, TX. First step is to find an school with an ROTC program that has your desired degree program, because inevitably, that institution will be evaluating all your credits and will let you know how much you have left to complete your degree and they will give you a cumulative GPA that will factor into how competitive you will be compared to other applicants. I believe Fayetteville State has a ROTC program out there or at least has an agreement with a University out there that has a ROTC program. Once you apply to the school you want to attend and you get accepted, then you will have an idea of how many classes you have to finish your degree, but as long as you are academically a junior at the school you want to attend, you should be fine and you are correct, an associates degree is not a requirement, but a good GPA is key to get into the program. For starters from my experience, there won't be too many people on base that will be extremely helpful when it comes to ROTC, the best people to talk to are the ROTC recruiters that work for the college ROTC programs on the campus... Most of the school sites have an ROTC link with contact information for the people that work there. I'd start there because they'll be the ones helping you to complete your packet... You can start getting things together to complete your packet now even though the packets can't normally be submitted until around Nov-Dec timeframe. You can start talking to people to get letters of recommendation, start applying to schools and getting your transcripts evaluated and get accepted into a school with an ROTC program, brush up on PT if you need to, start talking with the ROTC program recruiter at the school you want to attend because you will need a letter of acceptance from the ROTC Professor of Military Science, and in the next couple of months you may want to start your DODMERB physical, that will also take some time to be completed. If you get an early start, you'll be fine, but just to put it in perspective, in ROTC you will get 4 semesters to complete your degree, make sure that you're able to maintain at least 12 hours per semester which will also include 1 military science course worth 3 semester hours that you have to take each semester as well. Also, look at what you want to do, non scholarship option, active duty option, hip-pocket scholarship.... These are all avenues of approach to get into ROTC with different benefits to each one
    7/9/2015 8:39 PM
    So I have a couple questions and maybe someone know the answer.
    1. When does one officially become a cadet?
    2. Does the rank show up on you ERB or do we get an ORB?
    3. Can you get an updated ID card with the rank?
  • G2GHopeful
    7/10/2015 1:12 AM
    G2G Air Assault,

    You're officially a cadet when you report to your ROTC battalion. The rank of cadet won't show on your ERB, you'll just have the assignment to the Ft. Jackson student detachment on there and an X AEA code. You'll keep the ID card with your current rank until you officially commission. Once you commission, you'll also get an ORB as opposed to the ERB and it will reflect your 2LT rank
  • 1LT Tennant
    7/26/2015 9:50 PM

    I just want to say that It's awesome that this forum has continued to be used to share information regarding this program. As I mentioned several years ago, I won't be checking this often, and as such will not be responding as I have in the past. I am very happy to see that this place is a resource for soldiers helping soldiers.

    If you didn't get picked up this year, don't lose hope. Getting selected for this program was the best thing that has happened for my career and I encourage you to continue working hard.

    God Bless you all, and perhaps I'll see you out and about.

    Kind regards,

    1LT Tennant
  • Wajahat Mohiuddin
    7/27/2015 9:10 AM
    I just found out about the Green to Gold program.
    I have been at my unit for 1 month now, after getting done with Basic Training and AIT.
    I have a GT score of 126 and also I have an Associate's Degree, GPA of 3.8
    My MOS is 74D, and my question is that can I be approved for a TIS waiver or do you recommend for me to serve 2 years first then submit my packet?
    I will also be willing to go the non-scholarship route.
  • 2LT Climes
    7/27/2015 9:40 AM
    To Mouhiuddin,

    You must have completed at least two years of active federal service, but less than ten years of active federal service (AFS) at the time of commission (waiverable). That is the only thing that is waiverable.
  • Mohiuddin
    7/27/2015 4:03 PM
    2LT Climes, so that means if I start working on my packet now instead of serving 2 years, I have a chance of getting a waiver?
  • 2LT Climes
    7/30/2015 8:48 AM
    Mohiuddin, there are no waivers for minimum time in service. I repeat you must have 24 months Time In service before consideration for G2G ADO. I would reccomend working on your packet and continue to update that so that when you hit that major requirement you will be good to go. I suggest that you work on some college courses so that you will not have to spend a long time in school granted that you are accepted into the program.
  • Early start
    8/3/2015 6:57 PM
    There hasn't been a direct answer in regards to the format the letters of recommendation needs to be in for the G2G packet. I have a good amount of individuals ready to write them but I keep getting asked the format i.e. memo or form number?
    Any help would be great, thank you.
  • G2GHopeful
    8/3/2015 7:05 PM
    Early Start,

    There's no specific format that the letters of recommendation need to be in. Most people I've known used the memo format. I can only speak from my experience, but I didn't even have letters of recommendation and still got into the program, so one or two letters should be enough. Some of the documents will have input from your commanders to write on your behalf. The letters aren't even a requirement anymore (at least that was the case from this most recent board). Honestly, what seems to be the major focus is your GPA and APFT scores. They seem to places a large amount of focus on those areas. If you're an NCO, your NCOERs will probably way more effective than the letters or recommendation. Good luck to you
  • aQ
    8/11/2015 1:20 PM
    Hi everyone
    I am wondering if it is even possible to get 2 waivers? I am 34 now and have 4 kids, thats the only waivers I would need.
    Thanks in advance
  • New Cadet
    8/11/2015 1:25 PM

    Yes. I had a waiver for age, dependents, active federal service, 2 criminal, and 3 medical. I was accepted and am starting next week! Don't let the waiver requests stop you, they are available for a reason!
  • aQ
    8/11/2015 1:36 PM
    Congrats!!! Thanks for your quick response. Do I have to submit the waivers first? or do I submit it with my packet?
  • New Cadet
    8/11/2015 1:47 PM
    My recruiter told me that its best to have waivers in by the end of November in order to keep the process smotter. I thonk its a good idea since I waited until the last second and wasn't aftually rligable tonparticipate until about 2 weeks ago. Luckily I am not PCSing. Also, not to start any crazy rumors, but I figure I might as well give all the applicants hope, last year they only picked up 76 applicants. Ive heard from a very reliable source that this will cause a dramatic influx in acceptances this year. As he put it, "if their was ever a time to put in for G2G ADO, this is the year to do it." So, do uour best to squate your packets away and don't quick when it gets hard, because it will....
  • St. Mary's Cadet
    8/11/2015 3:58 PM

    Yes, it is very possible to get multiple waivers approved. I received 3 waivers, age (Im 32), Time in Service (I have 12 years, 14 at commissioning), and medical (past PTSD from deployments). So I'd definitely put the packet in. New Cadet is right about only 76 applicants being selected this past year, it was very competitive. But just make sure you're competitive as far as GPA and APFT as those will be probably the most important part of your packet. The process to get the packet complete takes a while and you'll run into some hiccups here and there, but don't let that discourage you. At this point, the worst possible thing that could happen if you put the packet in is they don't accept you. But, you'll never get accepted if you never apply... Just get an early jump on your packet, especially the DODMERB physical... Thats what will take the longest to complete.... Good luck
  • aQ
    8/11/2015 6:28 PM
    Thank you so much for your responses and advises, I am studying for GRE and hoping to take it in October. As far as I understood I need to get accepted to the school first, then ROTC, and then start the packet?
  • St Mary's Cadet
    8/11/2015 6:33 PM
    For your packet to be complete you need a letter from the college giving you full unconditional acceptance. I did the Master's option as well
  • aQ
    8/11/2015 6:46 PM
    Yes trying to go for masters, my GPA is 3.24, pt 281, ARCOM, 3 AAMS, MOVSM, JAM.
    Age and dependents waiver, TIS 27 months, e5.
    My first step is GRE and acceptance, the college I am trying to go has a lot of competition as well.
  • Mark
    8/18/2015 10:34 AM
    I am a little confused with age waiver, do I submit 4187 or the Memo?
    Thanks in advance
  • SGT G2G
    8/19/2015 1:22 PM
    I have some confusion about the endorsement recommending approval from the Army ROTC Battalion and Brigade Commanders that is required for the age waiver. Is this the same thing as a recommendation and should it be from my Commander in memo format? Anyone that has completed the waiver have insight into this? Thank you in advance.
  • CDT Dan
    8/19/2015 6:05 PM
    So, when I did my waivers last year they alwere all in the same format, using a 4187 with unit commander signature. In comments, make sure to put that you are requesting whatever spwcific waiver for whatever specific reason, i.e. SM is requesting an AGE waiver for acceptance to the Green to Gold ADO program. SM will be 32 at time of commissioning. I am hearing that they really want to get all waivers in by the end of Nov this year, so do your best to get them in early! Trust me, you don't want to be waiting on waiver approval after you find out your packet was accepted... Its painful and leaves you no time for PCSing...
  • SGT G2G
    8/24/2015 5:41 AM
    Maybe there has been a change to the waiver procedure this year. A 4187 is still required but in addition to an endorsement recommending approval from the Army ROTC Battalion and Brigade Commanders. I would like to know the format of the endorsement and if it should come from myself or my CO?
  • CDT Dan
    8/24/2015 8:41 AM

    The 4187 should be filled out by yourself and you commander. When I did my packet, my PMS letter included approval for the things I neesed waived. It stated: "SSG has been approved to participate in the ROTC program. Age, dependency, civil conviction and AFS have been approved. SSG understands Cadet Command still must approve these waivers..." Sonething like that. So, I am pretty sure all you donis get the 4187s done, get your PMS letter and submit. Cadet Command completes the waivers themselves and if they require any more information about them, they will contact you. Your best bet is to call Cadet Command yourself and ask, but I am pretty sure this ia the process.
  • Mark
    8/24/2015 2:17 PM
    Just talked to school ROTC I am applying to, asked them about the waiver and 4187 for my age waiver. The rep told me that I need to upload all the documents and then request a waiver, I was under impression that you submit a request for a waiver, then complete your packet. Anyone?
  • Age and Service waiver for G2G
    9/5/2015 5:43 PM
    Hello all,

    I was hoping someone could send me their waivers as an example to build my own for this years selection. I need an age wavier (for a whole 42 days over 30 at time of commission) and an active federal service waiver ( I'll have 12 years in at the time of commissioning). Also did anyone not have their DoDMERB physical done not at a federal installation, what was that process?



  • Spc wyland
    9/7/2015 9:30 PM
    Quick question, I've been in 3 years now with 3 years left on my contract as a 15B. I don't have any schooling past high school. I'm on a P3 permanent profile (push-ups) only. I know my GT score is going to have to go up before I get accepted. My question is would being on a P3 profile make me ineligible or could I still possibly get accected? My PT scores used to be above 270 every time, 0 arcoms, 2AAMs, 1 COA, 1GCM, expert weapons qual...
    Thanks in advance.
  • St. Mary's Cadet
    9/7/2015 9:45 PM
    SPC Wyland,

    You would need a medical waiver and its all depending on what your condition may be and is it waiverable... I'd check the DODMERB site and see what conditions are disqualifying... I'm pretty sure you're gonna need to be able to complete the full APFT to get in the program as that is one of the determining factors in the ROTC OML... I may be wrong, but I have yet to see a cadet get by without being able to take the full APFT... Good luck
  • Cadet Whit
    9/9/2015 7:17 PM
    SPC Wyland, I would have to agree with St. Mary. If you cannot complete a full APFT, I highly doubt you will be accepted :-( BUT I could be wrong. See if you can do more research on it. Goodluck!
  • SPC Kosh
    9/12/2015 5:22 PM
    Hello everybody,

    I am applying for G2G ADO 2016 enrollment (MPA program). Having been in the Army for only 1.5 years, I have not obtained a lot of military leadership experience which, as I understand, is a very attractive attribute of a G2G candidate. I was SL and PG in basic training (not documented), and SL in AIT (documented through COA). Unfortunately, no official leadership responsibility in my unit so far, where I have been only for a year. However, I have a great deal of civilian (collegiate and ecclesiastical) leadership experience (not documented, but proof can be acquired). Would my civilian leadership be pertinent to G2G application. If yes, would you recommend to just attach those proof documents to my application, or do it differently?

    Thank you very much in advance!
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  • Katerina
    10/18/2015 10:02 PM
    Hi everyone!
    I am asking this question for my husband. He is applying for G2G ADO for Fall 2016, but his unit "might" deploy in February 2016. If he gets accepted, does he need to finish his deployment before he can start with the G2G program?
    Thank you!
  • CDT Merchan,
    10/18/2015 10:12 PM
    Yes he will have to finish his rotation. But the difficult part will be to change his orders to start ROTC after his deployment it's over.
  • CDT Smith
    10/18/2015 10:52 PM
    Actually, that is incorrect.... Katerina, your husband may still apply for G2G ADO even if his unit deploys... If he is accepted during the deployment, the unit can release him... Deployment does not stop a Soldier from applying for G2G... The only disqualifying assignments are drill sergeant and recruiter obligations. I've had a Soldier in the past that received G2G ADO orders almost halfway into our deployment. By all means do not stop the packet if this is something your husband wants to really do... Let the army tell him he can't, not one of us in some forum... Good Luck to him
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  • CDT Merchan
    10/18/2015 11:07 PM
    I never said that he can't apply. Yes he can but he will not start on the fall unless he finish his deployment. Off course if his unit release him before that better but that is very difficult. This happen to me I was deploy when I applied for G2G ADO. If he gets accepted and he still deploy. He will have to change his report date to the university, thats all but it is possible.
  • Katerina
    10/19/2015 9:33 PM
    Thank you, CDT Smith! We'll give it a shot. There's no harm in trying, I guess.
  • SPC
    10/21/2015 6:05 AM
    It says in the requirement that you need a recommendation from your immediate commander which is my company commander, and a field grade officer. Does it have to be my battalion commander, or can I ask other field grade officers if my battalion commander isn't available?
  • Galluzzi
    10/21/2015 8:17 AM

    Good luck to you and your husband! He´ll need your support to get this monster packet completed. Your husband will be able to leave mid'deployment IF his commander releases him. I would recommend he speaks with his commander about it. That way you´ll know where your commander stands, and he won´t get blindsided by losing a presumably outstanding soldier mid deployment.

    On the 174'R Green to Gold Application Form, it specifies that the O5 is your BN CDR. Depending on how desperate the situation is, you could try for another O5, but you have months to get your BC´s signature.
  • CDT AirAssault
    10/23/2015 9:21 AM

    Personal experience: I was on orders to go to Korea I was already on leave and had the plane ticket and everything. I found out I was accepted the day after I went on leave and by the following day my orders to Korea where cancelled by HRC and everything was reverted. I went back to my unit for another month until my orders were recreated. I was also told by my ROTC recruiter that if I had deployed I would be pulled back to attend school. G2G supersedes anything else that is going on basically. Have you husband talk to his ROTC school personnel they are there to help him answer any questions.
  • FY16 Applicant
    11/9/2015 6:43 PM
    If you're already receiving BAH on active duty and going to be an ADO cadet. Its my understanding that you're MGIB pays for you're college, which also comes with a BAH of its own. So...will you receive two BAH's while in the program?
  • Cdt air assault
    11/9/2015 6:54 PM
    Fy16 applicant, unfortunately you cannot double dip ob the bah. I was very disappointed when I found this out. Also the gi bill will only cover for your tuition only so don't expect to make money off it. Let me know if you have any more questions. Good luck
  • LovingG2G
    11/9/2015 9:05 PM
    Fy16 applicant, you will also get a textbook stipend on top of the GI Bill covering tuition. You get $41.00 per credit hour. This helps a lot because some classes have cheap books or you can rent books on your kindle for a low fee. I ended up getting about $700.00 this semester alone on books and I know I did not spend nearly that much. Every little counts :-)
  • LOR
    11/16/2015 6:43 AM
    I am having a hard time catching my BN CDR. He is usually out either in the field or somewhere. I am a bit worried that I may not get a letter from him or if I get one, it may not be a strong one since there's almost no chance of me working with him or proving myself. Will that be a huge factor in getting accepted to the program? That's pretty much all I have left.
  • CDT M
    11/16/2015 7:37 AM
    You need to get your CO involve on that. And between you and your CO can type the letter, and all your BN commander needs to do its signed. He doesn't have the time to write a letter and like you said he doesn't know you very much. And yes this could be a huge factor.

    Use your CO to approach him. In my case my CO took me over there and after that was pretty easy.
  • G2G Air Assault
    11/16/2015 9:53 AM
    When I was applying I told my CO that I needed the BC LOR. He said to do a write up of why I want to be an officer. I used this write up also for the "Why I want to become an officer" section on the main application. Then he made an appointment with the BC and went with me. When I went in he saw my whole packet and was able to measure my performance by it. He hand wrote his recommendation and asked me to type it up and return it to him for a signature.
  • Mark
    11/16/2015 10:14 AM
    I thought LOR from BN commander wasnt part of the package. I guess I was wrong. Where do you get that information from?
  • CDT Galluzzi
    11/16/2015 10:44 AM
    I second CDT M's advice. Don't be afraid to draft one for him, and use your CO.
    At minimum, you need the BN CDR to complete the evaluation/recommendation portion of the 174-r for your packet. Of course, I doubt it wouldn't hurt to have a separate rec letter from him if you want to try to swing it. If you are helping draft letters, try to make them sound as different from each other as possible. Don't write about all of your accomplishments and strengths in each one; I imagine the board members would get a little 'board' if you did that. haha
  • FY16 hopeful
    11/29/2015 1:14 PM
    With the new system on the Green to Gold portal you no longer need an actual LOR memorandum. Instead your Company and Battalion commanders have to fill out performance and recommendation sections on the 174-R that can be generated once all your personal and military demographics are filled out.

    I wondered the same thing so I contacted cadet command and that’s what they told me. I have LOR’s from other field grade officers that I will just be uploading as “other” and LOR into my portal.
  • Mark
    11/29/2015 5:12 PM
    Hi everyone
    I was wondering if anyone could help me with this, I am applying for ADO for 2 year Masters program, how do you fill out 104-r form, I am completely lost, since I am not getting any help from local ROTC recruiting team.
    Any input would be greatly appreciated
  • St. Mary's Cadet
    11/29/2015 11:21 PM
    On your 104-r, you just need to fill out your schedule of classes you plan on taking for your master's program. It can be changed but you have to be able to complete all coursework within the 21 month timeframe. Not sure about your specific program, but my program I enrolled in was cohort based and all our classes follow a very specific schedule. Simply put, just plan out on the form the schedule of your courses over the 2 year ADO period,
  • Mark
    11/30/2015 5:08 PM
    Thank you very much for your response.
    12/4/2015 4:52 AM
    So, I know its pretty late to start working on an application packet for GTG but I just recently realized that it was the best course of action to take. Looking for some commentary on my overall "qualifications" and any advice to expedite the process if possible.

    4 Years 8 Months TIS
    11 Months TIG
    129 GT
    102 DLAB
    267 PT Score (added a minute to my run since getting to Korea)
    38 Weapons Qual
    87 Total Credits (69 applicable to my Bachelor of Arts in Psychology degree plan) (planning on enrolling for 12 more this upcoming semester)
    Six Sigma Green Belt and Black Belt Certified
    Good Credit, No Criminal Background, Married w/ 3 children

    Where are ya'll going to submit the applications and upload paperwork. I have tried the GoArmy account but it wont recognize me as Active Duty or let me access the Green To Gold application. I have contacted the recruiter for the school I want to go to (which is luckily in the same school system as my current university). What else can I do to make sure I get everything done in time?

    12/5/2015 1:35 AM
    I am a infantry SSG but serving as a detailed recruiter working on applying to the ADO program and have the support of my COC. I have not been able to find a SME on what (or how) I start the packet. I have started the online packet where I upload documents but am running into a wall with how to get everything filled out to submit. I think my next step is to contact my intended college and have them accept my transfer credits and fill out my intended degree plan and I think I go through thier ROTC department to stary that but I'm not sure. I'm fully qualified other than needing TIS and age waivers (12 years TIS at commissioning time and 31 at commissioning time) if you still maintain this blog and can offer advice I would be grateful. I plan on going to university of Akron for ROTC, and I'd like to do my academic schooling at Balden Walace if the army supports that I know the Air Force does.
  • 2LT Climes
    12/5/2015 6:12 AM
    SSG Hammar,
    You are trying to go to Akron but do your schooling at Balden Walace. The only way that would be possible is of Balden Walace doesn't have a ROTC program. The process is tedious but can be accomplished. You must apply to the college, get accepted, apply to the ROTC program, and get accepted. So in turn, you must apply to both colleges. Akron you must apply and get accepted, and in turn apply for the ROTC program as well. You should contact their secretary so that you can get a memorandum that states acceptance into the program. When you apply to Balden Walace, you need to get accepted, and show a matriculation of classes that will show the path to your fulfillment of requirements to commission. This will be tough only because of bouncing between two schools. If you are accepted into the program, you have to participate in labs that will often require most of the day depending on the lab. Since you're infantry, you will benefit from the squad tactics. Much has changed from when I commissioned, but ensure you know what you want a a degree in, fill out the 104-R so that you know where you stand as in getting semester hours for your classes, as well as the Military Science classes (ROTC) The good thing is that with your time in service as and being a SSG, you most likely will only have to do MS III and MS IV, you will have to complete Cadet Leaders Course (CLC) formerly known as Leaders Development Assessment Course (LDAC). If you have any more questions or would like me to go in depth with the process, feel free to e-mail me at Good Luck

    2LT Climes
    QM, Executive Officer
    E Co 1-61 In Rgt
    Ft Jackson, S.C
  • Hopeful Specialist
    12/5/2015 5:37 PM
    Whoever can help,
    I am finishing up my ADO packet and when I finished my medical exam, my BN physician gave me DD Forms 2807 and 2808. I want to know if anyone has submitted these forms to Cadet Command and had them accepted.
  • St. Mary's Cadet
    12/5/2015 6:10 PM
    Hopeful Specialist,

    The forms you will need for the DODMERB physical are DD forms 2351 and 2492.... These forms will need to be faxed over to the DODMERB physical board office in Colorado Springs at the air force Academy.... If you go to, it has all the info you need pertaining to the DODMERB physical.... The medical forms do not need to go in your packet, but you must be medically qualified through the DODMERB board prior to the start of rotc... This process takes a bit of time to go through so those forms need to be completed sooner than later.... Not sure what forms you used, but for ROTC, those forms won't work
  • St. Mary's Cadet
    12/5/2015 6:22 PM
    SSG Hammar,

    From a bit of research, Baldwin Wallace does not have an agreement with the University of Akron.... In order to attend ROTC with Baldwin Wallace, you'd have to go to the ROTC program at John Carroll University, I would give their ROTC program a call and they can walk you through what you need to do and also you would get your rotc acceptance letter from their PMS... Good luck
  • Mark
    12/7/2015 10:09 AM
    St. Mary's Cadet
    I have the right forms but I uploaded them to G2G website, do I need to fax the forms to DODMERB?
    Thank you
  • St. Mary's Cadet
    12/7/2015 10:12 AM

    They have to go to DODMERB.... Cadet command isn't the medical approval authority and cannot clear you until the DODMERB board personnel at the air force academy do so
  • Mark
    12/7/2015 10:31 AM
    Thanks again
  • Mark
    12/17/2015 8:05 PM
    Good evening everyone
    This question might be silly for some of you but:
    On the G2G application page they require CC form 103r for DA photo, I have downloaded the form but how do I insert my DA photo? Or Visual Studio personnel needs to do it for me?
    Thank you very much
  • CDT Galluzzi
    12/18/2015 12:29 AM
    Mark, I took the printed photo given to me by the studio, placed it on the form then scanned it in. You should be able to find a digital sender around somewhere.
  • Mark
    12/18/2015 12:32 AM
    Great, just wanted to double check if some1 else have done it before.
    Thank you very much
  • G2G2016
    12/18/2015 1:17 PM
    Filling our the memorandum for dependency waiver, I have 3 kids, do I put I have 4 dependents, do I count my spouse as my dependent as well?
    Thank you
  • G2G Air Assault
    12/19/2015 8:51 PM

    Yes, your will need add your spouse as your fourth dependent. I had the exact same waiver for 4 dependents. The only reason why they ask for a waiver like this one is I'd your where going to do the scholarship or non-scholarship option to see if you would be able to live simply on that. For ADO you don't have to worry about your pay. Mine was approved right away. I also believe that your school PMS has to approve it first, mine did.Good luck.
  • Anthony
    12/28/2015 2:07 AM
    Hi I just want to ask if can use the GI bill on the G2G ADO?
  • St. Mary's Cadet
    12/28/2015 9:35 AM

    Yes... You are allowed to use your G.I. Bill for ADO.... You just won't be allowed to receive the housing stipend since you'll still be getting BAH.... You will get tuition and the book stipend using the post 9-11 G.I. Bil
  • Anthony
    12/29/2015 5:51 PM
    St. Mary's Cadet,

    Thank you
  • antsy applicant
    1/3/2016 1:51 PM
    WOW... I just made a new account on the green to gold portal (just to be nosey) and it was the 1665th application ID, thats a lot of competition. Even accounting for double accounts and those who started an application but didn't finish.

    27 days left
  • GreentoGold App
    1/3/2016 5:28 PM
    Do I need a waiver if I will be 31 years of age on the date of the projected graduation and commission?
    Thanks in advance!
  • Wilkerson2
    1/4/2016 4:09 AM
    I have a couple of questions re guarding my application,

    1. On my 174-R application it is not allowing me or my commander to
    digitally sign it, is it ok to just sign it by hand and upload?
    2. Also on my 174-R in section 4 when it generated my personal statement it
    did not generate the entire statement, does that matter or do I need to
    attach something with the rest of my statement.
    3. On the 174-R it says favorable NACLC and the info must be on the ERB it
    has a date my security clearance was completed is that sufficient for a
    favorable one?
    4. My commanders have German numbers and when I try to input it onto the
    174-R it shows up with commas for the 14 digit number. Is this an issue? EX:
    049-637-194-644-125 shows up as 046,637,194,644,125
    5. I do not have a Service School Report so do I need to upload my last 3
    6. My commander is writing a memo to verify my PT card, is this acceptable?
    7. I have not failed HT and WT so I do not have a Body Fat Worksheet, do I
    still need to provide one?

    P.S I know some of the requirements for Scholarship option are different for ADO, I am applying for the scholarship option
  • Mark
    1/5/2016 3:56 PM
    ANother question
    Regarding the form 104R, I have already completed it and digitally signed, but my ROTC department still havent given me an acceptance, so they want me to get that form signed by the school representative, but the form still will need to be signed PMS, how do I do it?
    I mean I will digitally sign it, then print it take to school then scan and forward to ROTC department?
    Any of you had to do it?
    Thank you very much in advance
  • ROTC Pride
    1/5/2016 9:08 PM
    I got the acceptance letter before filling out that form. I coordinated with the school's ROTC head recruiter. I told him what I needed and he made sure it got done. If I were you, I'd call and email that recruiter person at your school and let them know where you are in the process (via email and call) and what you need to finish it. He or she should make it happen for you and/or help you figure out the best route to get everything done. Without the help of this recruiter, I would not have been able to get everything done in time.
  • Mark
    1/5/2016 9:36 PM
    Hi ROTC pride thanks for your response, I am dealing with 2 ROTC Offices and 2 recruiting offices, they are so different like day and night. One is extremely helpful in submitting required documents, providing assistance and answering all the questions. The second one is a little different, I guess the location makes a huge difference. The only reason I am asking this question is because I cant get a response from other ROTC department.
    Thanks again
  • Mark
    1/7/2016 1:18 PM
    Thanks a lot for your response.
    now have another question, maybe you guys can help me out as well.
    I am filling out form CC 228R Financial Statement, what do you put for Part 4 if you are applying for ADO?
    Thank you very much in advance again.
  • ROTC Pride
    1/7/2016 1:55 PM
    Hey Mark,
    If possible, I would just stick with the ROTC/recruiting office that's determined to help you. It shows that they will be dependable when you get accepted into the program. I can't help much with the financial statement issue. That document was not part of my packet when I applied… and I just applied in 2015. See if you can call someone at Cadet Command to make sure it is still necessary to submit that one. Sometimes they put it online as a necessary document, but when you call they're all like "No, that document is no longer necessary."
  • Mark
    1/7/2016 2:07 PM
    The thing is I have been accepted into the program I wanted, still waiting for the decision on the other one, but running out of time. I emailed cadet command and they said I need to talk to ROTC cadre, so kinda stuck right now, was just hoping someone had filled the same form in the past.
    Thanks again ROTC Pride
    1/7/2016 2:53 PM
    Mark, I understand your rush. I was accepted this last year on ADO. I sent up my packet with the 228-r before they changed the requirements. See if this helps for part 4.
    22. no
    23. 0
    24. 0
    25. 0
    26. 0 unless you receive a student loan
    27. 0 unless you will use ch 33 then its $1000 per year / the amount of months you go to school per year.
    28. Your base pay plus bah if you get it and food allowance etc....
    29. The amount per month from GI bill. I get full tuition so I would put your tuition /the lenght of your classes. EX. tuition $4700 / 4 month courses = $1175 a month
    30. Your spouse's monthly salary if any
    31. 0 you are not eligible for the kicker while ADO
    32. FAFSA if any, total / number of months in school EX $5700 / 9 = $633
    33. 0
    34. 0
    35. Add all the blocks
    You should not need the form. My ROTC recruiter told me that they really only look at it if you are going the scholarship way. They want to see if you will be financially stable and be able to focus in school. Good Luck
  • Mark
    1/7/2016 3:14 PM
    Thank you so much G2G AIR ASSAULT, will try to submit the form like you suggested. Will see what happens.
    Thanks again.
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  • Darius
    1/17/2016 9:47 AM
    With the ADO I notice that there's no tuition assitance and I'll have to use the G.I. Bill. If I want to pursue a master's degree will I have to pay out of pocket or is there another educational benefit provided one I commission. I'm concerned about using up the G.I. Bill and not having enough to complete my Master's Degree. I'm currently using TA and trying to save the G.I. Bill.
  • Jason
    1/21/2016 4:19 PM
    I've heard through the grapevine that if you haven't completed your packet yet you might as well not submit it. They are overloaded this year and are only handing out 50 or so ADO contracts.
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  • SSG Taylor
    1/26/2016 2:34 PM
    I came across this thread months ago, but figured it was outdated because of the dates on the first couple of posts. I had no idea how current it actually is. For those that have been selected in previous years... I need your advice. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but it's hard not to throughout this process. I just completely finished my packet yesterday, and I'm wondering how competitive I may be when compared to everyone else. I'm a SSG with 5.5 years TIS (made 6 in 4), 118 GT, SAMC, DHG in AIT, commandants in WLC, finished my AA degree with over 3.5 GPA, previous NCOY for BDE and DIV, all 1/1 NCOERs, all kinds of awards (8 AAMs, 3 ARCOMs, 1 MSM) highest recommendations from CDRs (to include my BDE CDR), and (wait for it) a lousy 269 APFT. Lol I usually score much higher, but i let myself down. I'm 26 y/o with a wife, and kiddo on the way. I have an approved medical waiver, and also submitted waiver request for civil conviction infractions as a civilian. (Littering and trespassing). What do you guys think my chances are for selection? Oh and I have. 3.4 GPA in the Univesity I applied for. Thanks for any advice!
    1/29/2016 9:07 AM
    I am working on my packet currently, looking to utilize the Hip-Pocket Scholarship. Does anyone who has been accepted into Green to Gold (or anyone really) have their packet and wouldn't mind sharing? I'm fresh from Afghanistan and my unit is disbanding, so while overtaxed with work during the duty day, I am looking to get a little research in during my off time. Good luck to everyone applying this year.
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  • SPC U
    2/3/2016 6:31 AM
    Good luck to everyone applying this year.
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  • Kocka
    2/4/2016 5:32 PM
    Funny, 'Hopeful Specialist', I was in the exact same boat (same place too): I went through medicals first thing, then right before submission it turns out that they filled out the wrong forms - even though I emphasized what the medicals were for! Sigh. I would like to warn people about this: don't just trust the medical team blindly - always double check that they fill out the right form for you (check those form numbers)! Sometimes they don't have a clue....

    Another thing I didn't know and learned it the hard way: although it wasn't mentioned before, you need security clearance to qualify. So start working on that ASAP if you don't have it yet.
  • SGT D
    2/5/2016 1:03 PM
    First off, good luck to all applicants!

    I hope I'm not the only one refreshing the file upload page every hour. Lol I was just in there and noticed something that caught me off guard. All my documents were uploaded well before the 1 FEB deadline and are now being validated. However, most of them that are still pending show a new "uploaded date." Some of which are 2 or 3 FEB. Is anyone else getting this? I just don't want it to seem like I didn't upload on time and maybe just something on Cadet Command's end when they view documents. Please let me know. Thanks in advance!

    SGT D
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  • SPC U
    2/6/2016 12:50 PM
    @SGT D When did you upload your last required doc? Mine was Dec 30 but I haven't seen any movement on my file upload page yet. Everything looks the same so far

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