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Green to Gold Active Duty Option Cadet

October 07, 2010 | Second Lieutenant Andy Tennant

I came to the ROTC program from active duty with the Green to Gold Active Duty Option Program (ADO). This program allows enlisted members of the Army to have an opportunity to go back to school, complete their degree, and return to the Army as a Commissioned Officer. With the ADO, I continue to receive the pay and entitlements I had while serving with an active unit, and my duty station is at the school of my choice.
The selection process for this program involves creating a packet that is to be presented to a board at Cadet Command. The packet is long and in depth, but well worth the time. With the program being very selective (only 150 soldiers selected this past year), the quality of the packet is important.
I received my orders to be here at Marshall on 3 Aug 2010 with a report date at Ft. Jackson with duty at Marshall University on 10 Aug 2010. Needless to say, the last few months have been quite a trip for my family. If anyone has any questions about Green to Gold and specifically the ADO, feel free to get a hold of me.
CDT Tennant
 


169 Comments

  • PFC McKenzie
    10/9/2010 1:16 PM
    CDT Tennant,

    Recently I've became very interested in Green to Gold and I think ADO would be the option best for me. I just joined the Army this year, but I read on the Go Army website that you have to be in the Army for 2 years, I was just interested in how the process is to getting this started and how to go about it. Good luck to you and thank you :)
  • CDT Tennant
    10/9/2010 5:48 PM
    Yes, you do have to be in for two years. In order to get it started, you need to go the the green to gold webpage http://www.goarmy.com/content/goarmy/rotc/enlisted-soldiers/green-to-gold-active-duty.html , go to the bottom of the page and create an account. The system will verify that you are eligible and then allow you to create an account. Once you've created an account log in and it will take you to a page that has a checklist for everything that you need to complete the packet. GIVE YOURSELF PLENTY OF TIME. This packet takes months, money, and a lot of research to complete. It's always good to turn in all in on time to.

    Also, for your research benefit the best resource I found was a message board on armystudyguide.com Be sure to check this out. Without this board for communication with the other prospective ADOers I wouldn't have found out many of the things I needed to know. This includes how I found out results were out(the notification system was down on the Cadet Command website), a point of contact at HRC for tracking whether or not my orders were being cut, and tips for doing in processing at Ft. Jackson.

    Be sure to check it out. If I can help you at all, just let me know.

    Tennant


    Army Study Guide Forum http://community.armystudyguide.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/6771093521/m/3191028582

    Cadet Command Website
    http://www.rotc.usaac.army.mil/
  • ricky nelson
    10/9/2010 10:43 PM
    just wondering why you said you needed money during your applcation process and do you know of anyone that submitted waivers.
  • CDT Tennant
    10/10/2010 8:40 AM
    In order to complete the packet you need to apply and be accepted to the school. The application fee for my college was $50. It's not a lot, but it's something you need to be aware of. Again, ensure you have time to apply to school and gather the required paperwork for the packet. It took my school a month to respond to my application.
    The deadline for submission is April, the board is in May, and the announcement for award comes out in June. I would suggest submitting well before April. During our board, it was rumored that over 500 packets had been submitted and 3/4 of those attending the board submitted theirs on the deadline. Thus giving Cadet Command little time to sort through the packets and forward necessary corrections to you. So get your stuff in early so they can make sure you packet is straight before you have to rush like I did.
    There were only 150 selected this year. Competition is tough.

    If you guys have anything more I can help with you, just let me know. If I can help anyone through the process it would be my pleasure.

    Tennant
  • PFC Andrew Hall
    10/12/2010 1:52 AM
    I really appreciate you taking the time to write this article and answer the questions here CDT Tennant. I'm currently putting my packet together for the ADO Green to Gold program, and have found your article and subsequent answers to questions very helpful. I just wanted to say thanks for taking your time to do this for us hopefully future cadets!

    PFC Hall
  • CDT Tennant
    10/12/2010 8:08 AM
    It's my pleasure.
    • SPC BLAKE
      11/9/2012 7:58 AM
      Can u email me at Marshadeitrablake@gmail.com
  • CDT Tennant
    10/18/2010 9:08 PM
    Ricky,

    Sorry I didn't answer about the waivers. Like I said, most of my interaction with anyone was on the forums. Some guys mentioned that they put waivers in and they were accepted, but I'm not sure as to whethe or not they were accepted into the program.

    I have a belief (as well as other ADO Participants on the forum) that they didn't select anyone with waivers for the simple fact that there were enough candidates that didn't require any. Again, like much of the selection process, the actuality of this information is known only to the folks at Cadet Command and the members of the board.

    I hope this helped.
  • Keith
    10/20/2010 12:18 PM
    Hello, I have a college degree already. I was thinking about enlisting to get my feel as a NCO or enlisted soldier and to work on my running because I am horrible at running and figured where else to better work on it.

    I was told by my recruiter that I can apply for OCS/Green to Gold right after AIT. But I see here I would have to wait 2 yrs. Maybe different program?

    Does this make sense?
  • Andy Tennant
    10/20/2010 2:29 PM
    Keith,
    That depends. I'm not 100% sure, but I do believe you can pursue your Master's degree in the program instead of your bachelor's (which is what I'm pursuing). Green to Gold is mostly meant for this who have no college or need to finish their degree.

    As for enlisting first, I wouldn't suggest it. Here are my beliefs a to why, specifically for you.

    1) You have a degree. Don't enlist, go to AIT, then apply for OCS. The competition is too fierce. What recruiters don't tell you is that you need to gain Chain of Command approval before submitting your packet. This will not happen within the first year of being at your first duty station. When you show up somewhere they typically want to keep you.

    2)There is an enlistment incentive to go into OCS. Requirements for initial entry are a little more intensive than being a regular enlistee, but it's worth it. With this program you go to basic, and the directly to OCS. You would be considered a "CollegeOp," go through the 14 week OCS process, and then continue with your BOLC for your branch (decided AT OCS).

    3) I believe going to ROTC is still an option. I don't have any sources for this, but I know of current cadets who are taking Master's Level courses. I would contact your local ROTC Liason at your school regarding information on this. This option may not be possible, but it is worth the research.

    If you're reallly considering joining. Go with the OCS Enlistment incentive. Do your homework and get your commission with a guarantee in your enlistment contract. That is my suggestion after having gone through several processes. It's definitely the easiest route for you. www.armyocs.com is the best resource for OCS information. Create a username and research the forums. Everything that you are thinking about with regard to your career and options (including those who are going the CollegeOP route) is covered.

    As for your running, you don't need to be enlisted to get better at running. Do some sprints. 30-60's and 60-120's are great exercises for increasing your run time. With 30-60's, stretch out well, get on a track of some sort (as this is easiest), and do a warm up lap. After the warm up, walk for a bit and time yourself at a Sprint for 30 seconds. Immediately after the sprint, start your clock and walk for 60 seconds. Then Sprint for 30 seconds, then walk for 60 seconds....you get the idea. You will do this Sprint/Walk cycle six(6) times. Do your cool down lap then stretch. 60-120's are the same except it is 60 seconds then 120 seconds. Your run time will increase quickly if you make this part of your routine. (http://www.wood.army.mil/wood_cms/FM_3-22.20_Physical_Readiness_Training.pdf) for the new FM on PT.

    As for "getting the feel as enlisted," I would say this is something to weigh considerably. I am incredibly grateful for the perspective being enlisted has given me and I believe whole heartedly that it will make me a better officer. However, making the transition from enlisted to officer is not very easy. If being an officer is your career goal, I would suggest going that route. I do encourage to research both career paths that are availlable. Each has its Pros and Cons, and the officer route fills my personal needs/desires moreso than the NCO route. This may be a different scenario for you.

    I've yammered on much to long. If you need anything more, I'll be happy to try and help. Also remember, most of the above is MY opinion. Don't take it doctrine.
    Good Luck,

    CDT Tennant

  • David Fisher
    11/1/2010 6:41 PM
    Cadet Tennant,
    I am currently an 11B E-5 at Fort Lewis, WA and trying to go back to Marshall in the Green to Gold program. This is what attracted me to your post. I was wondering what you're packet looked like as far as GPA and awards? Also, I am trying to figure out if I can turn in a ADO packet and a Scholarship packet at the same time. I have a wife and child and obviously would prefer the ADO; I am not sure if I would match up to the 150 soldiers trying to do the same. I cannot find whether or not I can submit both packets anywhere, so your help is much appreciated.
    Thanks,
    SGT David Fisher
  • CDT Tennant
    11/1/2010 7:12 PM
    SGT Fisher,

    I'm also 11B from Fort Bragg. My GPA is a 3.44 with 98 hours transfered in. At the time I had 1 ARCOM and 1 AAM. If you want to go scholarship you can't go ADO. The Army will not do both, and that stipulation is actually part of the program requirements. You can, however earn scholarships from the school and/or 3rd party organizations. Also of note, you cannot draw Tuition Assistance while with the Green to Gold program, but you can draw from your GI Bill.

    I'll be honest with you, there's no way I could go back to school without the ADO. There's no other way to support a family.

    As for matching up with the other potential candidates I wouldn't worry about that. Don't try to figure it out based on what PT, GPA, etc. is. If you go to the message board I referenced in an early post on Armystudyguide.com, you can see toward the end where guys with 6 ARCOMS didn't get selected. It's really a toss up. Just put together the best packet you can and call it a day. Turn it in early so you can make corrections ASAP and start the waiting game.

    I do believe you can apply for both. drum.green2gold@conus.army.mil ask that question there, but I'm pretty sure that it's referenced in the message board again.

    Best of luck and let me know if I can be of further assistance
  • David Fisher
    11/1/2010 7:58 PM
    I understand I cannot draw both options. I just want to do the scholarship packet as a back up in case my ADO packet isn't good enough. I have a 3.0 College GPA, a 4.0 High School GPA, a 27 ACT score, 133 GT score. I have 1 arcom and 1 aam. My PT is great, no problems there. The rep here on Fort Lewis said that if I didn't have a bronze star or better or a college gpa of 3.75 or better to not even bother putting packet together. I guess you are living proof that what he said is not the case. Also, I am told that I can add years to my commitment after getting commissioned for duty station of choice, AOC of choice, etc. Do you know anything about this?
  • CDT Tennant
    11/1/2010 8:30 PM
    Throw your packet together. You've got a decent GPA and your GT is great. If you meet the requirements do the packet.

    You can add years to your commitment. I believe upon graduation you have to do 4 years and then you can ADSO (Active Duty Service Obligation) for what branch or duty station you want. Branch selection and duty station are determined by an OML based on your performance at LDAC(Summer between Junior/Senior Year), and I haven't been yet. BUT, you can do the ADSO to get what you want if you don't rate well on the OML. http://hhd.fullerton.edu/militaryscience/Publications/accessions_brief.ppt This is a link to the Accessions process. It's slightly different this year, but it's very similar.

    I hope that answers your question.
  • C. Watts
    11/9/2010 10:01 AM
    I was wondering if you had to have any college credits to apply for this option?
  • CDT Tennant
    11/9/2010 2:47 PM
    Yes. You have to be able to complete your degree in 21 months. I transferred in 98 hours. If you can prove to Cadet Command that you can complete your bachelor's degree in four semesters then you qualify.
  • Nathan Chapman
    11/13/2010 12:41 AM
    I'm 11B just 11 months into the army but would like to go green to gold im currently deployed to Afghanistan right now and was thinking about going a better way. What exactly are the requirements and how do i start putting a packet together ?
  • SPC Hall
    1/6/2011 12:55 AM
    I have been given letters of recommendation from a couple of very high up officers. Should I add those to the packet and if so where?
  • CDT Tennant
    1/6/2011 8:02 PM
    SPC Hall,

    I'm a fan of keeping it to what is asked for. I didn't have anything other than the two recommendations that were included with the appication. However, I do believe that some people did include additional recommendations with their packets. Like I've mentioned previously, search the forum on ArmyStudyGuide.com to see what the others have done. That forum is ridiculously big so try looking around April of 2010, plus or minus a few months. I hope this helps.
  • Krys
    5/23/2011 11:15 AM
    My husband just recently applied for ADO GTG... He has 320 PT, 3.4 gpa, 92 credits transfered, airborne, e-6 in 4 yrs, 1 deployment, high GT score, and honor grad from DLI, and Commadants list from AIT, and asst team leader at 10th group......what do you think the odds are ? and also..where is the best place to track results and notifications of selection
  • CDT Tennant
    5/23/2011 8:44 PM
    His stats are better than mine, but there is some super secret equation that Cadet Command uses. The best place to follow the results are by using the forum I mentioned and calling Cadet Command. I know this is crunch time and your stress is probably crazy high, but I can't give you more than that. Patience is a virtue during this time.

    Just a little heads up if he does get selected though, I received orders on 3 Aug and had a report date of 10 Aug. Mind you, 10 Aug was a Monday and a holiday. I cleared Bragg from living on post in three days. Talk about a headache.

    I'm sorry I can't be more help. Good luck, though.
  • SSG Atkinson
    5/26/2011 2:38 PM
    When did you find out you made it?
  • CDT Tennant
    5/26/2011 3:02 PM
    I found out on 11 Jun via a gentleman named MAJ Psaltis out of Campbell, Methodist, and Fayetteville Universities. He is a recruiting ops officer for Campbell University's ROTC program. Cadet Command did not inform me of my selection. Basically, he e-mailed me and the other Green to Gold Px on Bragg on his own. He was sent, by Cadet Command I'm assuming, the final selection information and he scheduled a briefing to inform us all we had been selected.

    This whole episode was a huge shock as I was awaiting word from Cadet Command and did not expect to be hearing from someone that I had no association with. If I were you, I would contact the school's ROTC Recruiting Officer and see if they are privy to any information that may be available. Be proactive in searching for results and ensure you check everyday.

    Best of luck to you, and let me know how everything works out. If there's anything else I can attempt to help you with let me know.

    Tennant
  • Jared Sellers
    6/1/2011 5:56 PM
    CDT Tennant,
    Does the selection board prefer Marshall?
    Jared
  • CDT Tennant
    6/1/2011 8:24 PM
    Not that I'm aware of. I'm the only ADO in our program and there was only one other Green to Gold participant (he just commissioned). Marshall has a relatively small program, and I don't know that what program you apply for matters for the selection board.

    Regards...
  • Shaun
    6/8/2011 4:11 PM
    I just wanted to know what my chances would be im and e-6 combat eng audie murphy memeber, AA, AB, pathfinder, 3.4 Gpa, bronze star, but i havent had any like post level sports does that affect anything. Also when did you submit your packet and when did you find out. Oh yea if your security clearance is still in the works does that affect anything also?
  • CDT Tennant
    6/8/2011 4:35 PM
    Shaun,

    First off, your stats are great, however there were guys with better stats than you that didn't make the cut. I'm not sure what you mean by post level sports, but I'm pretty sure that's not a key factor in the decision. I never did any sports outside of high school, and even then I wrestled only my freshmen year. Who knows though.

    I submitted my packet two days before the deadline (round about 29 March I believe), which turned out to be a BIG mistake. There were many corrections I had to make before my packet was finally OK'd for the board, which was a cause of much more stress than I wanted. As mentioned before, I found out on 11 Jun, so hopefully you'll find out soon.

    I'm not sure about the security clearance, I don't see why it won't matter though. There are guys that I'm in school (at my level) who finished the security clearance back in March. I would assume that if it's still being processed then you could get picked up pending your clearance. I wouldn't worry too much about that.

    Just take a deep breath, say a prayer and be patient. Don't forget that there's always the Non-Scholarship option if you don't make ADO.

    Good luck.
    Tennant
  • Jermaine
    6/24/2011 1:31 AM
    Hey Sir,

    I just found out that I was selected to participate in the Green to Gold program this year. I am currently in Afghanistan and I was wondering how long does it take for your orders to come down. My unit won't let me leave until they do. Thank you.
    • CDT Tennant
      6/24/2011 12:07 PM
      Jermaine,

      First off, my congratulations to you. I can't tell you when or how quick your orders will arrive. Hopefully, Cadet Command places deployed pax on priority, but I don't know. I would suggest getting all of your ducks in a row now. If you're married, get your wife to start packing. Make sure that you do everything you can that doesn't require orders, ASAP. I know school starts in about 2 months, which gives you little to no time to PCS, but it can be done. We had to do a DITY move in order to get here on time.

      I do know that there were people in your situation on last year's board, so hold onto your hope. The worst part is over. You got picked up for the program. Everything will fall into place, just have a little more patience. I know it's hard.
      • jane
        9/20/2011 5:46 AM
        I have a question do you have to have to meet a college credits requirment before you ut your packet in?
        • CDT Tennant
          9/28/2011 5:13 PM
          Yes
  • Lamont
    6/25/2011 8:32 AM
    I'm in the process of finishing up my Green to Gold Active Duty Package. My questions are:
    1. Will my Top Secret clearance play a big part upon selection?
    2. What exactly is AFS? I'm thinking it's dealing with FBI, CID, or other special agencies. Not quite sure, if they are talking about Active Duty military.
    3. I'm 33 now, will be 34 in Sept., is there a chance my age will disqualify me, even though the windows are open between Nov. 15 - Apr.1.
    4. How long did it take for you to get a respond, and if selected, should I start my GI Bill paperwork ASAP?
  • Lamont
    6/25/2011 8:38 AM
    5. When do you get to start school, in the spring or fall, or do they decide which is the quickest way for you to finish and get commission?
  • Jackson
    7/3/2011 9:59 PM
    hello
    im currently active duty and i am thinking about going the green to gold active duty option, now i noticed alot of you all are in combat mos. My question is if selected and i complete the green to gold program what are my chances my mos will be swithced to a combat mos i am currently a 42alpha.
  • Crystal
    7/18/2011 3:33 PM
    You said you had to do a DITY move because you didn't have enough time - Is this just like a regular PCS? Did you have to completely clear CIF as if you're ETS'ing? That's the part that's stressing me out the most. I just got the letter that I got selected and I know it's going to be a rush to the end. I'm stationed at Campbell and going to school in Illinois, so not that bad of a move, but still I don't like being rushed!
  • CANE
    7/20/2011 11:26 AM
    I am currently going to school online and I have 2 years left. If I try to go green to gold can I still go through my online college. Also i am dual military how will that effect my marriage.
  • CDT Tennant
    7/26/2011 3:30 PM
    First off, sorry for the delay in my responses, I've been at LDAC for the last month and haven't had access to a computer. So I'll respond in the order that i received inquiries.

    Lamont.
    1. Unsure, but having TS may help. As I've previously stated, selection criteria from the applicants perspective is ambiguous.
    2. Active Federal Service, The time that you've been in the military since your BASD (Basic Active Service Date)
    3. You'll need to submit a waiver for your age. I have heard of individuals getting by with waivers, but I'm not 100% on that one. I would request a waiver ASAP so you know whether or not you should CM.
    4. I was persistent in my contact with Cadet Command. The communication lines and POC's are all over the place. Once I submitted my packet, Mr. Erick Hickson at Cadet Command contacted me with the requirements for my packet. He's was pretty quick to respond, but at crunch time (the end of April) he was busy handling everyone's packet and he didn't have a whole lot of time to deal with individual soldiers. I mostly tracked information via the forum on Armystudyguide.com mentioned in an earlier post on here. From there I found a contact at HRC who was responsible for actually getting my orders cut. My unit was on a special status and I had to wait for my HRC contact to get a waiver signed by the deputy commander. That added to the time that it took me to get my orders. Let's just say it was a stressful time that afforded me little to no usable information. My unit was frustrated because they had received little information and they were going by my "he said she said" information. Just be patient. You'll get the information, good or bad, as it comes. If selected, start your GI Bill ASAP, yes. I'm not using mine since I qualify for grants. So ensure you look at all angles.
    5. I started in the fall since I applied in the spring. I know nothing about starting the school in the spring. Sorry I don't have any info on that.


    Jackson,
    When you go ADO you are considered a Military Science Year 3 Cadet, AKA a junior in college preparing for LDAC (Leaders Development and Assessment Course). You will be given an opportunity to select a new branch, not an MOS. You are basically starting your military career over in the officer's world. You do not get a guarantee of branch choice, but you are given a chance to make a "wish list" of what you would like to branch. YOu put these in order and based on an OML for cadet command (google ROTC Accessions Process) you are branched. ROTC is a competition and how well you do will determine whether or not you get the branch you want or the duty station you want.

    So, in effect, you will most likely be in a different career field if you so choose. Also, in the top 3 branch choices, if you are a male, they must be Combat Arms (IN, FA, AV, etc.)


    Crystal,
    I understand the rush. I did DITY to save time. This is just like a PCS. You exist on paper at Jackson and you have duty at your school. You will clear CIF, but keep the majority of your stuff. You'll turn in IOTV, etc., but you will keep the majority of your stuff...contact them to get specifics.

    Congratulations and good luck on your move. Have patience with Cadet Command, it operates differently then the rest of the Army. Especially have patience with your peers. Have fun.


    Cane,
    You have to check with your current school. You have to make sure that you can take ROTC courses and that you belong to an ROTC Battalion. I don't think you can do ROTC online. Given your situation, I would look to find a school near your post since your spouse will continue to work. But I'm not sure. You have a unique situation. Bottom line, I don't believe that ROTC can be done online, and your spouse is going to have to continue working. If selected, though, you will have a significant amount of time home. ROTC has been great for my family and marriage since we actually get to spend time together.

    I hope this all helps,

    Tennant
  • Paul
    8/28/2011 12:52 AM
    CDT Tennant, what are your thoughts on the 60 credit, "Junior status" minimum? By that I mean that over the past two semesters of night and weekend classes, I've maintained a 4.0 GPA but may fall short of "Junior status" despite barely attaining 60 credits by the end of the Fall, 2011 term. The degree I am seeking requires slightly more than 120 credits overall for graduation so I'm worried the school won't accept me as an academic Junior. That being said, I could easily take another 15 credits in the Spring and another 15 in the Summer. Is there a way to voice this "logic", if you will to the board? By that I mean that I'll be able to punch out credits after the application has been submitted.
  • SSG Yasin
    8/31/2011 3:23 AM
    I have a few quick questions, since you are still active duty do you still have to go to work at your unit and go to school or are you pretty much left alone while you finish school? Also, does the college have to be a university? Can it be a community or city college? Thank you.
  • CDT Tennant
    8/31/2011 3:55 PM
    Paul,
    My thoughts on the limit, well. It's the requirement. I had issues with my packet because I had too many hours and was almost disqualified for that. Don't ask me how that makes sense, but there was some talk about it. I was able to get into a general studies program, which allowed me to get in. When you submit your packet you have to be able to prove to Cadet Command, via the CC-104r form, that you can finish your degree in 21 months (two semesters). They will, however as it was explained to me, allow individuals to extend to 24 months on a case-by-case basis, but they will not let you go into the program expecting to need the 24 months. You need to have the 60 hours. Look into the non-scholarship option from the G2G liaison based at Fort Drum for guidance. I left their email in an earlier post, or you could google search.

    SSG Yasin,
    I had these same questions as well. Here's how it works. You are located on paper at Jackson but have duty at your school, i.e. school is your place of work. Jackson is supposed to handle all of your leave, passes, etc., however since you are pulling duty with the ROTC battalion, then this area becomes fuzzy. At my school (a university of about 13,000) our ROTC battalion has 50 cadets, and I'm the only person that does anything with Jackson. Occasionally my HR rep has to work with me through Cadet Command, but other than that no one at my school communicates with anyone at Jackson. To give you a run down, I do PT MWF from 0630-0730. Since all of my classes, besides the required ROTC ones, are online, I do school work AT HOME (I wish I could bold that last statement) on my own time after PT. Tuesday and Thursday are ROTC days with no PT. We have a class and training meeting on Tuesday and a class and lab on Thursday. The class and Lab take up about four hours, but I like to devote those two days entirely to doing ROTC stuff. I'm playing BC this semester so I'm pretty busy. So my schedule is awesome, my wife and kids are happy, and I don't spend too much time away from home. OK, all of that to say that School is your mission. When I'm not in school, like for breaks, etc., then I'm not at school. It's that simple. I don't have to use leave/passes, etc. However, I have heard that some schools do require that people use leave. I don't think this is too common though.

    NEXT, you can go to any school that has an ROTC program or any school that coordinates with a sister school's ROTC program. Check out the goarmy site for a listing of those schools, or just search your potential school's webpage for an ROTC program. As for the community/city college, I'm not sure. Some of those schools may coordinate with colleges and universities, however I don't know.

    I hope this answers your questions.

    Tennant
  • Paul
    9/3/2011 5:40 PM
    Thank you very much for your timely response. I wasn't very clear in my question. What it basically boils down to is this: I currently have 50 credits. I was originally told that I needed a minimum 60 to apply. I am taking 13 credits this Fall to push me over the mark to 63 credits. However, I looked at a pie chart on my student portal that detailed credits "unfulfilled" and it stated that I had "97 credits unfulfilled". Apparently my major requires slightly more than the standard 120 credits to graduate. If I attain the 60 credits, but can't get a letter from the school ensuring "Junior status", what are my options? Is there a way to include something in the packet that outlines a plan to graduate (that will actually be looked at by the board, that is)? If I submit my packet on 15 Feb. of next year, I could easily take an additional 20-30 credits during the Spring and Summer semesters. I have no doubt that I won't even need the "if need be" 24 month waiver. How should I explain myself and my thoughts on this matter in the application? If you're not sure, if there is anyone particularly savvy on this type of ADO G2G matter, it'd be great to get in contact with them as well....Thanks so much CDT Tennant!
  • CDT Tennant
    9/3/2011 5:54 PM
    Paul,

    If I were you, I would change my degree plan. Look up the CC-104r form and you'll see that it actually allows a place to outline your plan of study, HOWEVER since your degree requires "97 unfulfilled" hours then your're going to have a heck of a time convincing the board that you can get it done in the time allotted. I actually ran into a similar problem as the degree I wanted to pursue required about 80 hours. The ADO rep at Cadet Command wouldn't even submit it to the board even though I could take summer courses. They want you to be able to complete your degree in four regular semesters. SO, I had to change my degree to a general studies, which has actually worked out for the better. Since joining, I've completed my undergrad (which was supposed to take the whole two years), started on my graduate work (started during the summer), and I should finish my graduate degree before I commission. My original plan has changed significantly. Once you're in the program you can do whatever you need to do, but for the packet you need to be set up to their plan.

    If you're worried about the degree, just remember that you only need a degree to commission. It doeisn't matter what its in. Don't forget about your AARTS transcript (http://aarts.army.mil/) which will give you some more hours.

    Good luck, I hope I cleared it up for you, if not hit me up again.
    • SPC SPC
      3/20/2012 10:56 AM
      CDT Tennant,

      Did anyone at any point check to see if what classes you were taking matched what was on your CC Form 104-R? I may end up having to finish a degree faster than my plan says but don't know if I can do what you did during the second year?
  • TORRES
    9/4/2011 5:44 AM
    hello cdt,

    I'm currently a spc deployed in afghanistan and Ive already made an account and began the packet process its just i dont know where to begin
  • Torres
    9/4/2011 5:51 AM
    o and when u submit awards to cadet command can u submit ones u are put in for put havent recieved yet
  • PFC Chupp
    9/16/2011 2:18 AM
    Wrong there is no time limit depending on which scholarship of green to gold you take, I am currently in the process of finishing my packet. I am using the GI bill to pay for it and ill be attending for 2 years to get my degree and I dont have to sign any years back I make my own contract. just research it more and ask questions to your leaders they will lead you better than guys who think one way is the only way
  • SGT LLANA
    9/17/2011 8:00 AM
    I am interested in the green to gold ADO program, but have had no luck finding the checklist. Can anybody assist me in this? Thanks.
  • CDT Tennant
    9/19/2011 10:47 AM
    Torres,

    Go step by step. Only submit awards that are on your ERB.

    PFC Chupp,
    First off, this entire blog/posting is specifically for the ADO. Cadet Command Regulation 145-6 (CCR 145-6) states generally in paragraph 6-1 "The Green to Gold ADO program is available to eligible active duty Soldiers who have earned sufficient academic credit that applies toward their degree to be accepted by their college and be academically aligned to complete their degree requirements within 21 months."

    Furthermore in paragraph 6-2b (10) which outlines eligibility data, the soldier must "Have two academic years remaining (four semesters/six quarters) as a full time student as indicated on CC Form 104-R..."

    For future reference know what it is you on commenting on and remain respectful. You also need to do your research.

    SGT Llana,
    http://www.goarmy.com/rotc/enlisted-soldiers/green-to-gold-active-duty.html
    That link will take you to the ADO page. Click the link at the bottom "Take the next step: Create an Account." After creating an account, the system should take you to the checklist. That is what happened two years ago, the system may have changed.

    P.S. I had to go through my HR rep at my school to get a copy of CCR 145-6 (exhaustive internet searches proved fruitless) which is the governing document for the Green to Gold program. I would suggest contacting Cadet Command if you wish to see a copy.

    Kind Regards Ladies and Gentlemen.
  • PFC Adams
    10/25/2011 2:31 PM
    CDT Tennant,
    I am 22 years of age and just graduated basic and AIT, I am in the Army Reserves. I am two years away from receiving my bachelors but I can still volunteer for ROTC. Would you recommend me to go ahead and do ROTC or just work on finishing up my degree and work on my packet at the beginning of my senior year for OCS, or start on it now and build on it? My recruiters have been wanting me to join ROTC for a referral but there are things they have lied to me about and haven't told me that I have done research on. I am a full time student and I have a full time job so I am not sure if I could even consider ROTC right now. I have been trying to find someone that knows quite a bit about this situation and reading through your answers you're very knowledgeable about this subject. In your opinion, would it be better for me to do ROTC or drop an OCS packet at the end of senior year? I look forward to hearing from you and further go into depth about it!
    • CDT Tennant
      10/25/2011 8:07 PM
      PFC Adams,

      I happen to have experience with both avenues, and since you are A)In the reserves and B)Already a full time student, I'm going to suggest that you go the ROTC route. Here's why. OCS is not a for sure shot. You can spend months compiling your packet for OCS just so that it goes before a selection board and you may not be selected. That's way too much of a hassle. However, ROTC is (I'm assuming) on your campus. All you would need to do is go talk to their cadre and they can help set you up on your road to commissioning. If you haven't stopped in and talked to them, I recommend doing so. We have several cadets in our program that our considered part of the Simultaneous Membership Program (SMP). This program allows them to be part of ROTC but also still a member of their unit. Furthermore, they are able to use our FTX's to count toward their drill.

      I understand you have a full time job, and that is a legitimate consideration, but know that your cadre will most likely be willing to work with you. Again, go in and talk to them. The only issues I see with having a job are the requirements for FTX's and LDAC (Leaders Development and Assessment Course), which is a month long course that is between your junior and senior year. I would say that the ROTC option will get you to where you want to go. This is only my opinion, I hope I've helped. If I can offer any more advice, let me know.

      CDT Tennant
      • PFC Adams
        10/25/2011 8:32 PM
        Yes, that certainly helped. I am still weighing my options on what I should do. The current university I am at right now does not offer ROTC but the university I just got accepted to does because I was going to transfer just to do ROTC and finish up my bachelors. ROTC is offered at that university but all of the classes they offer for rotc are at held within another university 45 minutes away. I drive to my current school which is already an hour away, so another 45 minutes would be hard considering my schedule, fortunately, I am dead set on becoming an officer. Unfortunately the university i was transferring to only takes 20 of my 64 credits I earned at my previous school. So I thought my chances were better just to finish up and then send in an OCS packet. The more I think about it the more I feel like it will be worth it in the end driving those miles, but then again just stay at my current university and carry out my bachelors there and take a chance on a packet. I'm just stuck in a pinch right now lol. I appreciate you replying back to my question though.
        • CDT Tennant
          10/25/2011 8:34 PM
          I do what I can. Best of Luck to you.

          CDT Tennant
  • Kelly
    11/17/2011 4:51 PM
    I am an enlisted soldier and am currently engaged to another enlisted soldier. What are our options for a marriage deadline if I go green to gold for ADO? Would we have to get married before I attend school or could we get married while I'm in school as long as its's before I attend OCS?
  • Nataucha
    1/10/2012 4:08 PM
    I have been in the army AD for 4 years and would like to go Green to Gold Active Dutie but my unit can't seem to get me where I need to be to talk to who I need to t alk to can yo help me? I have around 65 college units.
  • CDT Tennant
    1/11/2012 10:33 AM
    Nataucha,

    Your unit can't do anything for you. Go to the website that I've posted on here before and start, complete, and submit your packet from there. You need to get started ASAP so that you can beat the 1April deadline. It's all on you. Your unit needs to endorse you via signatures on paperwork, but you should complete your entire packet before attempting to receive those signatures. My suggestion, go to the website, follow their checklist, collect the information needed, and then assemble a physical packet in a folder with the checklist on the cover, then submit to your CO/BC for their signatures. You need to be very proactive.

    If there's anything else I can help you with, let me know. Good luck.

    CDT Tennant
  • SGT (P) LLANA
    1/11/2012 11:58 AM
    Hello again everybody,

    It seems I pushed myself along the way to get stuff done all the way from here in Afghanistan. It all seemed to be moving smoothly considering the limited resources, assistance, and offices from here, and the time difference as well. But, I have fallen into a little ditch which has again killed my motivation and only seems to be discouraging me.

    I applied to UTSA and they excepted my credits which had me as a Jr in good academic standing with a 2.8 GPA(I had a loss in the family and failed one class, which I later re-took) Now, there Education and Health Dept advisor is telling me that out of all my credits(60) only 21 apply to my degree in Kinesiology. I don't know what to do. I hold my AA in Health Administration.

    I thought I was heading the right way by choosing a degree in the Health field, but that obviously didn't work. Does anybody have any advice to give as far as what degree I should seek which would transfer all of my credit hours?

    Thanks for everything guys, good luck to all.

    Best,

    SGT (P) LLANA
  • CDT Tennant
    1/11/2012 12:04 PM
    Go for a general studies degree. I too was having a hard time choosing the "right" degree for my credits. To become an officer, you need to have A degree. I've spoken to quite a few officers that hold general studies degrees and they are doing well, plus pursuing a general studies degree gives you the freedom to take courses you want.

    The degree you receive only matters in that it is a degree. People branch all branches with all degrees. Individuals with engineering degrees don't always branch engineering (though they have a preference) and accountants don't have to branch finance. The only degree that will put you in a branch is nursing.

    Get the general studies.

    CDT Tennant
  • SGT (P) LLANA
    1/11/2012 12:07 PM
    ooops, I just re-read my comment above and I feel dumb! Sorry for all the typo's.

    It kinda sucks trying to do a million things at once while having someone badgering you about your time being up on a MWR computer, oh joy! NOT. Hopefully, this change will be for the best and I will get accepted-once I find a degree plan which fits all the courses I have taken with the previous university.

    Thanks again in advance for all your help.

    BEST,
    SGT(P) LLANA
  • SGT(P)LLANA
    1/11/2012 12:21 PM
    Awesome, I had no idea you were able to get a Bachelor's general studies degree as well. I thought GS degrees were only for Associate's Degrees. I will call my University now in hopes of getting some answers. Thanks again CDT Tennant.

    One more thing, what were your odds of getting chosen? Was it really that hard? I qualified with a 39/40 and just took at pt test where I scored a 285, the highest score in my plt, considering I am a female...I also just made NCO of the month and picked up my "p" status. I am 24 yrs old and have two children. I am deployed for the third time in my 6 yr military career, first time to Afghanistan though. My husband and I are both Active Duty Soldiers. Do I have a chance? Oh, and my GT score is 113.

    Best,
    SGT(P)Llana
  • Karrie
    1/24/2012 1:21 PM
    Hello, I am currently active duty and wishing to get into the ROTC program. There are a couple questions I have for you. I would be taking college at a sister school with the ROTC program. I am wondering if it would be a little more difficult having to commute every day to ROTC. I also am a little behind and have about 53 credits, however I am still taking classes is that something that will slow my process of getting into ROTC? When I am in the ROTC program, are there a certain number of classes I would have to take per semester? Also, upon graduating with my degree what are the next steps in my military career?
    • CDT Tennant
      2/1/2012 3:34 PM
      Karrie,

      The commute is a commute. Schools are usually pretty good at working with commuters (so I'm told) so I wouldn't stress too much. Their requirements for you may be a little different than if you were actually attending a school with the program.

      You need 60 credits to qualify for the program. You will not be accepted if you don't have the 60 credits.

      Once you're in the program, you have to be a full time student. I believe that 's typically 12 semester hours.

      Once you graduate, you'll commission, cover down as a gold bar recruiter (2nd lieutenant that helps recruit people into the program) until its time to PCS, and then you'll start your new career as an officer. It's pretty straightforward. You are guaranteed Active Duty, and you get priority for orders for your BOLC date.

      If there's anything else, let me know.
  • SPC Carlin
    2/8/2012 3:38 PM
    what are the steps i need to take to become a officer. I dont know where to start and what to do
    • CDT Tennant
      2/8/2012 3:43 PM
      Your question is too broad to answer. Utilize your resources (e.g. Google, your chain of command, etc.) and research. There is enough information in the posts above to get you started. Other than that, be self-motivated and proactive.

      Good luck.
  • Pfc Wilson
    2/14/2012 10:41 AM
    I was wondering are you authorized to bring your family with you im currently in Afghanistan and im weighin out my options but dont want to be away from my family more than i have to?
    • PFC Wilson
      2/14/2012 10:45 AM
      Also i have no credit hours only graduated from high school been in the army 2 years im considering green to gold have a purple heart if that will help any but i want to be an officer how do i start from square one do i talk to retention or what is needed to start the packet
  • CDT Tennant
    2/14/2012 12:42 PM
    Alright, so first off, you don't qualify for ADO since you don't have any credits, however there are other options. Go to the goarmy website and find green to gold. Explore your options there. My experience is solely with the Active Duty Option. If you did have the 60 required credits, then you conduct a PCS move.

    Best of luck

    CDT Tennant
  • SGT Gaskins, Gabriel
    2/17/2012 1:29 AM
    Hey Tennant,

    I am putting my packet together, talked to my commander and everything. Everything is coming together. But I cannot get some of the easiest stuff done. Like the freaking application on the website. You know the stuff that goes down the checklist of things you must do? Well, I am trying to type everything up to make it professional. For some reason, I cannot put on there that I am stationed in Korea, you know putting APO, AP for my city and state. I talked to a someone that about it from the army rotc program and they are like just write it in. But I obviously cannot do it that way. Is there a way I can get the CC form 174-R as a pdf and type anything I want on it? I am trying to get a pdf format for CC fomr 104 too. Ive googled for days and I still cannot find it. And I am talking about the most recent form. The jun 09 cc form 174-r. And the cc form 104 will not let me change the authorized semester hours on it. Can you help me out?
  • Kyle
    2/17/2012 4:55 PM
    CDT Tennant

    Hello, I'm SPC Liebenow and I have a couple questions for you. I'm currently active duty now and getting close to my reenlistment window. My ultimate plan in life is to get my commission, which is what i tried to do before I joined the Army. Long story short, I want to try Green to Gold ADO and I'm wondering if my past ROTC experience will hurt my chances of getting accepted.

    Thanks

    Kyle
  • SPC Butler, James
    2/18/2012 7:10 AM
    I'm currently a 92Y at ft.Lewis and I'm currently deployed. I have been in the army for five years, and im looking to go back to college. I have a question about the Army Green to Gold Active duty program. I have a P2(Run at own pace and Distance) profile, and I was wondering if that is acceptable, or if waiveable or not. Any information will be apprecited.
    Thank You
    James
  • Adam Jones
    2/21/2012 12:37 AM
    CDT Tennant,
    I am looking to enlist into the Army and would be looking into the green to gold program. I am currently 32 years old and was wondering if I would be able to go into the program at my age. I have 61 college credits with over 1300 continuing education credits through my local community colleges. I guess my question would be is there any waivers for the age restrictions for the green to gold program, or am I just blowing smoke. My recruiter does not know the ins and outs of the program so he is no help to me on this issue.

    Thank you for your time and also your service to this country and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
  • CDT Tennant
    2/22/2012 10:56 AM
    Sorry I've been so long in answering questions. I'm nearing commissioning now, with several FTX's being planned, finishing a master's, and taking care of a family, this blog has fallen to the backburner....ok, here goes.

    Gabriel,
    I had issues with the 174-R as well. What I did was take the PDF that you can download from the checklist and I filled out all of the information that I could. I then copied the entire PDF file and copied it into Microsoft OneNote and filled in the rest via text boxes. I actually used OneNote in helping to organize my digital files. It was pretty effective until I actually had to print the hard copies out (where I had issues with scaling), but then after everything was signed I just faxed it up.
    As for the 104-r, I had the school I applied for helping me out. Contact the cadre and see if they can assist you. Also know that once you submit the packet, if there's anything wrong with it (there most likely will be) the person receiving packets will let you know. They go through all of the packets before they get boarded. If you submit your packet WELL before the due date, you'll have a little better luck getting your errors fixed since the staff will most likely not have so many packets. I hope this helped.

    Kyle,
    If anything, your past ROTC experience could help, unless of course you were a turd. In terms of the selection board caring about that, I'm not sure. As previously mentioned, I think the big thing they look at is the statement in the application and the SAL (Student, Athlete, Scholar), but no one really knows what they're looking for. Best of luck.

    James,
    I'm not 100% about the P2 issue. Check AR 601-100. I would assume there is guidance in there. I would venture to say that chances are is that it will slow you down, and it most likely won't be waived. At least in Cadet Command, waivers are not being accepted for anything. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you. Research the commissioning requirements. Best of luck.

    Adam,
    To answer your question, age is waiverable, but at this time a waiver is unlikely. You meet the requirements for the program, and if you were to enlist today you may still meet the age requirements by the time you would be eligible for the program (2 years Time in Service). However you should be aware that enlisting under the assumption that you will be selected for special training initiatives may fill you with false hope...Here's why. G2G, especially the ADO, is a highly competitive program. The year I was selected, I've heard that 500 applied and only 150 were selected. I've also heard some say that 1500 applied (I don't have solid sources, but what is important to take from this is that it is incredibly competitive). In order to qualify for the program, you need a favorable recommendation from your chain of command, Company Commander all the way up to Battalion Commander. Most units will not give you the blessing until after you've done your time and have proven to them that you are worth giving the special attention to. That being said, it is still possible to get it done. ALSO, you need to take into account the preparation that it takes to create the packet. The packet takes most people at least 6 months to complete (It took me three and I had half of it done before I started), and you have to do it on your own time. This means that during duty hours, when you are supposed to be doing your enlisted job, you don't get special time to put your packet together. Essentially you have to create hoops and jump through them to get things done, and as a lower enlisted member you typically don't have that freedom.

    If you want to pursue a commission and still serve, look into ROTC. I don't know the specifics of getting into the program, contact your local program for information. If that doesn't work out, you could complete your degree (check and see how those Continuing Ed hours could translate into credit hours and get a general studies, perhaps) and enlist with the OCS college-op option. Or you could enlist and apply for OCS, but you A) need a degree, and B) it's another board select, similar to G2G.

    I'm sorry I'm not able to provide more positive information. Know that your goal is possible and that you can do it, it's just going to require work. Good luck, and God Bless.


    CDT Tennant
  • Military spouse
    3/1/2012 3:17 PM
    I was wondering where to send the packet to once it is completed??!! I know it is a month away and my husband is almost done with his packet and now needs to know where to send it to!
    • CDT Tennant
      3/1/2012 10:11 PM
      The site that has the checklist on it gives you the e-mail and snail male address that you need to send the packet to. Electronic is preferred. He needs to submit it well before the April 1st. Best of luck.

      CDT Tennant
      • spc benzz
        9/25/2012 4:51 AM
        I am 35 (dob: feb 1977) years old, and my ETS date is Sep 05, 2014, I am trying to put my packet for g2g active duty option (no scholarship)
        My concern are:
        I will be 38 by the time I graduate, Can still get age waiver?
        My ETS is Sep 05. 2014 I don't want to re-enlist as an enlisted, so how much time should be left before I ETS to be eligible for G2G (ADO)
  • Military spouse
    3/2/2012 9:19 AM
    Thanks so much! We r really hoping he does get accepted! It has been a very long process going to school and working full time in the army! And as a spouse its not easy either. I did tell him u suggested to send it in weeks before but he has an appt. March 20th to make sure everything is correct with his ERB?! Everything else is done he said, so once they verify everything on the 20th he will send it in! I hope that will be early enough??! He is just racing to get things done and has been working on this packet for months now. He just completed his associates this week.:)
  • FLORELIA LLANA
    3/18/2012 12:29 PM
    MY PACKET WAS SUBMITTED 4 MARCH 2012!!!! So far, it hasn't been kicked back for corrections...I'm so excited. Now, I pray, sit and wait:) good luck to all!!!!!

    Best,

    SGT LLANA
  • Vanessa Clark
    3/22/2012 5:11 AM
    I just submitted my packet on the Green to Gold website. There isn't a submit button. Do I also need to send a e-mail with attachments too? The checklist seems to be a little different then the Checklist. On the uploads is says Awards. I need to upload my Awards or Evalutions. Which one when there is a spot for NCOERs?

    I really hope I have a chance. I have a CGPA 3.43 and APFT Score of 283.

    Packets are due April 1, when should I find out if I got selected?

    SSG Clark
  • CDT Tennant
    3/22/2012 10:33 AM
    Mil Spouse,
    Send him my congrats on completing the Associates. I encourage him, no matter the outcome to continue pursuing his education. I know its tough. This is a crazy time...Good luck!

    Florelia,
    Congrats and good luck to you!

    SSG Clark,
    The website may have changed from two years ago. When I submitted, I believe there was an upload dialog. I did not email it in. I wouldn't send an email with the attachments, however I would email them to ensure they received the packet. Make sure you go by the checklist they have labeled as "the Checklist." Back that up with the reg to ensure you have everything. If an item doesn't apply, don't worry about it. As for uploading NCOERs, I believe there was a spot for additional supporting documentation. Put those there. Be patient, there are probably several hundred applying and I believe that only two people process these packets (don't quote me on this).

    Your stats look pretty solid, but as I've said before in this post, their selection criteria is a mystery. I've heard of everyone from E-3 to E7 being selected for the program, with better and worse stats than you.

    SO...Here's the board process. All packets must be submitted NLT 1 April. From that time until the first couple of weeks of May, they are being processed and corrected. You may or may not receive emails about correcting your packet. I had to add things that weren't on the initial checklist and amend several things and add some Memorandums from my CO. So, after the board takes place, you'll probably come across a lot of chatter from people who call and call relentlessly to Accessions Command about the date of names being released. Call the school you plan to attend around this time and see if they're tracking any names. I was at Bragg when I was selected and the Recruiting Officer at one of the local colleges emailed those of us located on Bragg and held an initial briefing for us. He did this on his own and had it not been for him, I would not have known I was selected. Be proactive in your search for board results. I found out June 11th. Best of Luck!


    For everyone that reads this, best of Luck and may God's will be done. Know that the fact that you've made it this far shows that you are dedicated to bettering yourself. I know the road is long, tiring, and very stressful. Be patient, pray diligently, and continue to be a good Soldier. Regardless of the outcome of the board this year, I encourage all of you to continue working hard at obtaining your commission. If you don't get selected for the ADO, there is the non-scholarship option which allows you to break service so you can go back to school. Also, there is the option to finish your degree and go to OCS. Whatever it is, don't give up! Clearly, your ambitions are set high if you're reading this post, and you MUST pursue your ambitions. Don't let anything stop you. Lean on God, and everything will be just fine. Even if you don't selected this year, there will be another opportunity. I know it hurts to think of that possibility, but perhaps your skills are still needed where you are. For the time being keep hope, believe in your experience, trust that your packet is complete and everything will be fine. Matthew 17:20 says faith like the grain of a mustard seed can move mountains. How much faith will it take for you to get your commission? Believe.

    God Bless.

    Andy
  • James Climes
    3/22/2012 8:59 PM
    Good day CDT Tennant my name is JC. I recently applied to the GTG ADO and am pending the board conveining on 1 April 2012. I just want to know from you where you think I stand. Here are my qualifications:

    thank you for your time in taking to read this. I know that you are nearing commissioning and I want to say congrats. You are the one of many I strive to reach for so that I can become a future leader as a commissioned officer.

    9 yrs Active Duty service
    3.78 GPA
    84 Semester Hours
    112 GT score
    Pending upgrade of Security clearence
    I have acceptence letters from both the school and the ROTC battalion
    All forms completed.
    All reccomendations from commander to battalion Commanders completed

    Just asking for your input of where I stand with just a few pieces of information that I have dealing with my packet Have a Blessed Day!!!!

    JC
    • Andy Tennant
      3/22/2012 9:41 PM
      JC,
      First, Congrats on submitting your packet! That's a milestone in and of itself. As for feedback: Your TIS, may be good, may be bad. I've heard from the rumor mill that the board typically prefers less years in service, then again I've heard of E-7's getting picked up; excellent GPA; so long as it will take you 21 months exactly (as spelled out in your 104r) to complete your degree, you should be fine; you GT score isn't excellent, but I have a hard time believing that it is a major focus; I'm not sure if your pending security clearance will hinder you or not. So long as your packet is complete and you fulfill all the information they request you have a good chance. As I've mentioned before, no one has any idea what the board is focused on. I know SAL (Scholar, Athlete, Leader) is/was kind of a big deal, and I heard rumors that the statement of why you want to be an officer is regarded heavily. But, who knows. If your PT is good, then I would say you have solid standard stats, but I'm not gonna say that will make you a sure shot.

      When I did my packet, I looked at it like the one required for WOCS. Attention to detail and don't skip a beat. I looked over all of my forms dozens of times to ensure clarity, had my wife go over, then had my XO go over them, and then I went over them again before I submitted them. Even then, they still told me I was missing stuff.

      I gave you the feedback you requested, but I wouldn't find solace in my words. Just take a breath, say a prayer, and trust that you are what they are looking for. I will say that the next few months will be stressful. Just Charlie Mike and keep doin' what you're doin'.

      God Bless,

      Andy
      • JR Ovens
        3/31/2012 11:53 AM
        Tennant,
        I just uploaded all of my documents a few days ago, and don't see to have the warm and fuzzy that I like. It seems like on the website thier should be some kind of submit button or somthing. I called cadet command and spoke with a Miss Pringle and she informed me that as long as everything was uploaded that I was fine. Did you submit your packet electronically or by mail? and if electronically did you feel the same as me as far as the website is concerned. Also in previous replies you spoke of them contacting you to fix things in your packet, how long was it before you got some notice letting you know that Cadet command did recieve your packet and that thier were issues that needed to be fixed.
        Thanks
        JR
  • Terry Edwards
    3/26/2012 3:04 PM
    I have a question concerning the Green to Gold Active Duty Option. I am a SPC, single, and I live in the barracks on Ft Carson. If I get selected for the Active Duty Option, would Ft Carson have a barracks room for me or would I be able to live off post with BAH?
    • CDT Tennant
      3/26/2012 3:07 PM
      Terry,
      It's a PCS move. You are authorized to move as far as your home of record is to go to school anywhere that has an ROTC program. You will not be assigned to anywhere at Carson. You will be assigned to Ft. Jackson with duty wherever your school is. So you'd get BAH.
      • Terry Edwards
        3/26/2012 3:08 PM
        Thx CDT Tennant
  • SPC Na
    3/27/2012 1:35 PM
    OMG!! CDT Tennant! this web page helped me a lot, even more informations, with specific cases!! I really appreciate!! :D
    This really makes me less nervous!! :)
  • SPC Wills
    3/27/2012 10:10 PM
    I've got a general question, though it looks like it's already been answered so I'm asking for the sake of confirmation.

    I'm deploying in the near future and when I get back I intend to submit my packet for Active Duty Green to Gold. Now there's a few concerns I have.

    1) Is the 4 year Hip Pocket Green to Gold scholarship the same as Active Duty Green to Gold? I have no real college credits at the moment, so to get my 4-year degree I'll have to go to school for a full 4 years.

    2) If so, will I be getting paid at my rank throughout the course of the whole four years?

    3) Since technically I'd be assigned to Ft Jackson I know I'd be getting BAH (assuming I'm getting paid as Active Duty), but will the BAH be at Ft Jackson's rate or for the area I'm going to school at?

    4) Since I'd technically be assigned to Ft Jackson does this mean I'd have to go through the PCS process and in-process at Ft Jackson facilities such as Finance, Housing, Legal, Medical, etc?

    5) Is the maximum age for completion of the course 29 or is the maximum age for JOINING the Hip Pocket Green to Gold 29 years old?

    6) Will my MOS as a commissioned officer be relative to my degree, prior enlisted MOS (35 series) or whatever the Army feels like sticking me in?

    Thanks for the help.
  • Andy Tennant
    3/28/2012 9:38 AM
    SPC Willis,

    First, thanks for being so organized with your questions.
    1) Green to Gold is broken down into several different programs. GTG Active Duty Option (ADO) is NOT the Hip pocket scholarship, they are two different programs within the Green to Gold Program. In order to do ADO you must have at least 60 hours completed. I believe Hip Pocket scholarship is still an option though, check on the goarmy site for clarification.
    2)Only those that get picked up for ADO receive full pay and benefits at the rank they were when selected for the program until they commission. Everyone else is separated from service. In all programs you are eligible for GI Bill benefits, but you are not authorized Tuition Assistance for ADO.
    3)BAH is based on duty location. For instance, I'm on paper at Fort Jackson, but I have duty in Huntington, WV. Since I have duty in Huntington, I receive BAH based on that zip code.
    4) Yes, sorta. You PCS, but not physically. You are assigned to the United States Army Student Detachment (Google it) and inprocessing is simply filling out a packet. It's very simple (much simpler than the G2G packet) and only takes a few hours. All of your administrative stuff is handled through them (leave, passes, annual training, finance, promotions, etc.). Your medical, however is a little different. Unless you're near a military facility, you'll have to enroll in Tricare Prime Remote. It's a bit of a hassle, but you still qualify for 100% benefits. It's just like living on post, but you have to do a little leg work prior to receiving care for the first time.
    5) I'm not sure on the age restrictions.
    6)Your officer MOS does not depend on your enlisted MOS or Degree. In the officer world, you select a branch and serve within that branch in any position that needs to be filled. For company grade officers, you will see PL time and CO time. Branch selection goes like this: Your name is entered into an Order of Merit List that is based off of GPA, performance at Leader Development and Assessment Course (LDAC), PT, and community and school activities. Before the OML is posted, Cadets make a "dream sheet" which rates the branches they would like to be a part of in order from most desired to least desired. Depending on how you rank on the OML determines whether or not you get your first pick. Those that do well (High PT, GPA, and performance) get what they want. The top 10% of the OML (this past year there were about 6000 cadets accessed) are guaranteed their first branch pick. Everyone else has a chance, but they aren't guaranteed. Google "Accessions Process Army ROTC" and check out the first result. It is a very in depth descriptions of how branching works.
  • PFC Robertson
    4/6/2012 6:12 AM
    I have been in for 2 years, and I am interested in the Green to Gold Program, I have no college yet but i know its what I am aiming for, is it still possible for me to submit a packet with no college yet?
  • SPC Volanti
    4/6/2012 9:48 AM
    Dear CDT Tennant
    I have read through your postings here, and you offer some great advice. I am currently deployed in the Middle East and submitted by packet through the green to gold portal, and out of caution also sent in my packet via registered mail (I just did not trust the website). I saw I am medically qualified. I still have not heard word about the submission, how long did it take them to get you an email requiring your corrections?
    I am worried my GPA won’t be high enough. I graduated the University of Florida with a 3.13 with a degree in Finance. 80% of my course load was Math, Science, and Economic courses. I have taken a few graduate level classes and maintained a 3.83 (grad school GPA and undergraduate don’t get added together). I received a 1360 on the SAT (old SAT) ranking in the top 95% of those who took the exam. I have been a squad leader for over a year. 290 PT score. 113GT. 31 months TIS. I have been accepted to a Master Degree Program as well as their ROTC programs (obviously). I am the BN CBRN-as a SPC-E6 slot-in charge of 14 soldiers and their CBRN programs. Unfortunately my unit does not give awards out at all. I have only received a MOVSM-What are your opinions on my chances of getting accepted?
  • Andy Tennant
    4/7/2012 1:36 PM
    PFC Robertson,
    You can to GTG, but you can't do the Active Duty Option. There are other options, go to the Go Army Website and search for Green to Gold.

    SPC Volanti,

    Good call on submitting both on digits and hard copy. I didn't hear from them till almost the end of April regarding corrections. Call into the submission office and verify that they've received your packet...that's what I did at least. I don't remember the contact info, but they are handled at Cadet Command.

    As for your stats, you look pretty solid. As I've told others, I'm not sure what criteria they're looking for and how they compare everything, but I'm sure just like everything else, PT is on top of the list. The fact that you're in a leadership position as an E-4 is beneficial. I would say, you've got a pretty good shot. My GPA was a little higher, but I had no leadership experience in the Army. I had a lot of pre-Army leadership training and I think that helped my packet. Other than that, I would say you have a fair chance of getting it. I wouldn't rely on my word though. As I've told others, pray, and if it's right, It'll happen. Be diligent.

    CDT Tennant
  • SPC Alvarado
    5/2/2012 8:35 AM
    SPC Alvarado
    I recently put an ocs packet together but had to stop because it was too late, also the their is no age waivers right now. I have a bachelors and am pursuing a masters and wanted to complete through geen to gold. I their a good chance to to be picked up for master degree option. My pt is great, i have a 2.89 gpa on my bachelors and meet the requirements with no waivers.
  • SPC Lang
    5/6/2012 4:06 PM
    I want to go GTG but i want to know if there is a program for dental assistants? My commander gave me info for the AECP which i was considering but i prefer to go to the dental profession. Do you know where i can get the information for that if any?
  • 2LT Nunez
    5/16/2012 12:21 AM
    SPC Alvarado, There is a chance for what you want. I just graduated with my masters through the G2G Program and commissioned yesterday. I had a 2.98 GPA for my BA but PT and everything else was superb to include letters of recommendations. Some folks start with their masters with no intent on completing during the 2 year because it isn't necessary because you only need the Bachelors to commission. Of course I wanted to complete but some folks took the minimal number of classes and took it easy. You must keep a high GPA during the program. Try to have a 4.0 because grades are 40% of your evaluation to whether you get your Branch.
  • SGT Mathews
    5/17/2012 4:33 AM
    Anyone with answers,
    Im currently deployed and still working on my 60 credit hours so this is obviously all dependant on when I finish my last semester hours, Im not gonna bog you down with the same repetitive questions just some specific ones. My background information first:

    SGT Promotable
    TIS:4 years 10 Months
    MOS:31B (MP)
    Schools include: WLC, Airborne School, Protective Services Training Course and Anti-terrorism driving.
    PT: 277
    GT Score:109
    ...1 year of team leader time, 24 months deployed in both Iraq and Afghanistan, CAB and Drivers Badge, 2 ARCOMS, 1 AAM, 1 NATO MEDAL, 1 Good Conduct Medal.

    1)In your experience have you heard if being promotable will hurt my chances being in an enlisted MOS that is even strength in regards to retainablilty (not letting anybody in and not letting anybody out)

    2)Letters of recommendation-Im currently serving as a driver for the Deputy Commanding General-Support of the 82nd Abn Div so I will have no issues getting some pretty decent letters of recommendations. Obviously leadership time and courses, PT and GPA play a huge role but do you have any view or opinion on how heavily Letters of Recommendations are weighed?

    3)I knew i was not going to college at the end of my high school junior year (THAT BAD) so I didnt take an ACT or SAT, my high school GPA was terrible so I have spent alot of time and effort on my college classes. For arguements sake i finish with a 3.5 in college, terrible high school GPA and no ACT or SAT. Will a university even come close to touching me?

    4)If I have 60 semester hours but no focus and no associates degree but a few core classes (maths, sciences, history etc.) is that something that the board reviewers might bring to question when looking at my ability to obtain a B.A. in 24 months?

    Let end by saying its too often during a PCS or TDY to an ARMY school that you can find absolutely NO information and only a packing list from 1995. This blog is a great thing for soldiers and NCO's trying to advance their career and you have done a great job keeping this up. Thanks for all the advice and information.
  • marc
    6/17/2012 12:05 PM
    i just found out i was accepted into the program. Hopefully more post here to find out what they were looking for. my stats are as follows

    1 MSM
    7 Arcoms
    4 AAMs
    1 MOVSM
    1 CIB
    3 deployments
    letter of recommendations include 2 COL 1 LTC 1 CPT
    Distinguished Honor grad MOS
    commandants WLC
    commandants and Leadership award ALC
    272 PT (not 90 in each event)
    active federal service waiver
    civil conviction waiver (10 years ago)
    64 + college hours
    GPA 3.6
    numerous job assignments

    hopefully more post so we know what the board is looking for


  • Gabe Gaskins
    6/17/2012 6:59 PM
    How did you find out you got accepted?
    • james climes
      6/17/2012 11:08 PM
      Gabe you will find out that you got accepted by Ms. Pringle the G2 of ROTC cadet command, you can also check you status by this website: https://schlr4yr.usarmyrotc.com/scholarshipstatus/ Any other questions, feel free to ask, and Good Luck!!!
  • 2LT Tennant
    6/17/2012 10:29 PM
    Congratulations. Just think, two years from now you'll be sitting in my shoes. It feels great. I'm glad to hear all of your hard work has payed off. BTW, this is when the fun begins. Not so much the school part, more the PCS in the coming months. After getting selected, getting orders, and actually moving the family is tough. Best of luck to you.
  • marc
    6/18/2012 6:04 AM
    2LT Tennant

    Your blog was extremely helpful throughout the process. I appreciate you keeping things going for the last couple of years. Congratulations on the commission. The 2LT looks better than CDT. Best wishes and thanks again for thread
  • 2squareU
    6/18/2012 5:45 PM
    Don't rely too heavily on that site. Get in contact with Cadet Command. I found out I was accepted via email from HRC who notified me that I will need to reenlist to get my assignment/orders to school. Good luck to all!
  • 2LT Tennant
    6/18/2012 9:07 PM
    Yes, yes it does. I'm glad I could be of assistance.
  • Doc Andre
    6/18/2012 9:33 PM
    2LT Tennant,

    I got accepted conditional for administrative but it did not say that I what exactly I needed to do in order to get my orders. Will I receive more information from CC, HRC or do I have to call HRC. I know I will have to extend since my ETS is in FY14 but the letter did not specify what administrative data I need to complete.
    • Andy Tennant
      7/1/2012 2:19 PM
      They'll let you know if they haven't already. Be proactive in finding out your answers from Cadet Command
  • Maximus
    6/22/2012 12:55 AM
    I just got accepted into the Green to Gold ADO too
    SPC 2 years TIS
    1 ARCOM
    2 AMM
    GT SCORE OF 112
    PT SCORE OF 285
    GPA OF 3.46
    68 credit hours
    no waivers whatsover and also 1 deployment
    I would encourage any qualified soldier to apply, as it is obvious no one knows exactly what the board requires in terms of selection, as I honestly wasn't expecting to get selected and I already was working on my non scholarship packet
  • Emigdia Ruiz
    6/28/2012 5:16 AM
    SO you would have to be accepted first then you can start the process. Do you have any suggestions on the schools to apply to. I'm on the trail right now have a femonths left to end my run as a drill sgt. i have a 3.78 gpa. i just really don't know how to start the packet that's my biggest problem.
    • Andy Tennant
      7/1/2012 2:21 PM
      Go to the GoARMY site and find their green to gold ADO page. You'll have to create a login and the packet is spelled out in checklist form with instructions. It's a confusing site, so be patient. This is also where you'll submit the final packet.
  • James climes
    6/28/2012 6:48 AM
    Ok I hope this will help everyone on here striving to get into the Green to Gold ADO. First ensure that whatever school you apply to is military friendly and has a ROTC DEPT. In my case I applied to Armstrong Atlantic state university. Not only did they work with me, they expedited a lot of the process because I was OCONUS. Do Not I repeat DO NOT go to a school where assistance from the university takes weeks to occur. As far as the packet, start with the major stuff getting accomplished now, such as the family care plan, if applicable, waivers, all that good stuff. In the last 3 months before submittal, you should have your recommendations from you units commander and battalion commanders. Also recommendations from supervisors and other officers that work with or around you will only help your cause. The PT test and your DA photo are huge items. Ensure they are current within the 3-6 month window before submittal. You need acceptance letters from the school, and the ROTC department signed by a colonel or above. You also need transcripts from all schools attended. You need the last 3 copies of your NCOER, a ERB (Ensure it is up to date) a security clearance (interim or higher) DODMERB physical, and those are just some of the many things they look for. They base potential off of what you put in the application box. stating your purpose to become an officer needs to be real and honest, not the fluff others state and never do. I was accepted into the program because of my exploitsmasma army soldier and my potential to be a great officer. MSMs and high decorations are nice but won't make your way into the program. I say this because two of my running mates who applied that were much younger and seemed more accomplished didn't get in. I was selected in the top 25 they didn't make the top 150 so itmgoes to show what you do, and how you carry yourself, oh and as lt tenant says confidence, prayer and belief will allow you to see the goal. Hope that helps
  • Military Spouse
    7/1/2012 5:41 PM
    My husband got accepted into the G2G ADO!!! We are thrilled!! We had no idea that he had to have 4 years on his contract before starting school! That has been very frustrating since he just extended and he is not in his window to re enlist! We have been waiting for almost 2 weeks to hear back! Make sure u have 48 months on your contract!!

    • Jay Hill
      7/9/2012 12:43 PM
      Hello, I am curious in this program and I am currently on Active duty I was wanting to know when you stated that the packet for ADO goes to a board is there a board you have to physically attend or is it somethign you submit for revewal and they identify if they you are aprroved for the program.
  • James climes
    7/10/2012 9:50 AM
    To jay Hill. You do not have to appear before a board. All you do is wait patiently and pray. If you are deemed future potential, you will be selected. Ensure that you have 48 months left on your enlistment from the date you would commission.
  • Ashley
    7/16/2012 2:57 PM
    Ok so I just got accepted to the ADO progran but I am in the middle of a PCS. Who do I talk to about this? I start school August 16th and my report date to my next duty station is August 10th.. Its confusing because I have orders to report to my next duty station but no orders for the ADO program because they are waiting on my medical remedials to get cleared up. Another question when I do get my orders how does the inprocessing work with getting signed into school.. Is it like a regular unit or how does this all work out? PCS entitlements still a go even though I am PCSing to a new duty staion? thanks for anyone that can help..
  • Gabe Gaskins
    7/16/2012 4:49 PM
    Did you get orders yet? It should have a website on it explaining that you have to in-process online with the Fort Jackson, SC Student Detachment. Its like your S-1 but only online. If you were put on assignment, and you especially have your orders and all, they should have cleared or approved your waivers. I might be wrong about this. I was waiting on my civil conviction waiver for like one month and all of a sudden Mrs. Slaven emailed me saying I was on assignment and that this coming Wednesday I can pick up my orders. All this info should be on your orders.
  • Ashley
    7/18/2012 6:55 AM
    No orders waiting for my medical remedials to go through... suppose to take a few weeks... how about the whole PCS process do you know? mrs. slaven is your installlation person? or your talking about the actual cadet command in fort knox?
  • Gabe Gaskins
    7/18/2012 7:03 AM
    You get the same PCS entitlements and active duty pay plus BAH even if you are single automatically once you inprocess on like with Fort Jackson, SC. call Mrs. Thomas at (803) 751-5491 if you have questions about the Student Detachment in SC. She is pretty nice! And I am talking about Mrs. Slaven at fort knox.
  • Ashley
    7/18/2012 8:40 AM
    Does everyone have a diffeent person in fort knox?? I have Mrs. Pringle corresponding with me but when I emailed her about my problems I didnt get a response.. do you have a number for Mrs. Slaven?
    • Andy Tennant
      7/18/2012 10:55 AM
      Keep getting on them at Knox, and try to get the POC at HRC. There's some traffic around June/July 2010 on the armystudyguide forum that has a number for a Ms. Slaven. When I came through, she was the one who tracked whether or not you were put on assignment. If she is still there, she will help straighten out your PCS orders. Also, Ms. Pringle was there when I came through too. Just remember that she's dealing with about 150-250 people that are going through the same thing you are. Be patient, but persistent with your needs.

      As for how the PCS works, your orders will have all of the contact information you need, once you receive them. You'll clear your current station and "report" to Jackson through e-mail. They have a laundry list of docs you need to submit, but once that is complete your school has control of you. If you're PMS (Professor of Military Science, aka LTC/BC) requires you to submit leave paperwork and passes, you'll submit them through United States Army Student Detachment (USASD), the unit your assigned to at Jackson. Other than initially reporting to Jackson, the only contact you have with them is for info like your PHA and annual training (SERE, etc.)

      I heard through the armystudyguide forums that some selectees from last years board had to get pushed to the spring semester until they could PCS. Take heart, they still made it. Just be patient, you've made it through the hard part.

      Good luck,

      LT Tennant
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  • Jamie Burke
    8/15/2012 3:20 PM
    Hi! I am SGT Burke and I was wanting to ask you a question about the green to gold program. I am wanting to submit my packet next April. When choosing a school does the actual school have to offer ROTC or could I do that elsewhere. I am really confused as to how that works. Thanks in advance.
  • Doc Andre
    8/17/2012 8:52 AM
    SGT Burke, you do not have to do your ROTC and Academics at the same school. You can do them at two separate schools just as I am currently doing starting this Monday. I am doing ROTC at UTSA and my academics at Wayland Baptist. You just have to get accepted into both schools and get the letter of acceptance from the PMS
    • Jamie Burke
      8/17/2012 11:58 AM
      Doc, thank you! So if I am applying at the University of Colorado then would I need to do my ROTC at a school nearby?
  • Doc Andre
    8/18/2012 5:20 PM
    Yes unless you don't mind traveling. My two schools are about 20 miles apart. I am in San Antonio
  • Jamie Burke
    8/19/2012 5:38 AM
    Thank you so much for the clarification! I am going to be going for my masters degree, does the program have to be exactly 2 years long? What if it is only a year and a half, am I still able to do the ADO?
  • Doc Andre
    8/19/2012 6:17 PM
    It doesn't have to be exactly two years in the ADO you have 20 months with a maximum of 24 months to complete your degree...I have less than two years also for my bachelors so I am stretching it out if you know what I mean.
    • Jamie Burke
      8/20/2012 3:09 AM
      Thank you once again for all your help!
  • JAMES
    8/21/2012 8:36 AM
    I was selected for the ADO option and started school yesterday in my Master's program. I am excited and thrilled to be here but my concern is that I will not be able to 1. finish my degree or 2. maintain a high GPA. Most of my classmates are only taking 3 classes each semester in this Master's program and I have to take 4 plus ROTC each semester to finish in the time allowed. Though I plan to do everything I can to finish my Master's in the 2 years given, someone said earlier that it is not required and I just want some elaboration on that and how did you find out about it if this is true? I know to be an officer only requires a bachelors which I have but I thought since I was accepted in the ADO G2G for my Master's that I had to Graduate with my Master's in order to commission.
    • Andy Tennant
      8/22/2012 12:43 PM
      Congratulations! I'm not sure how it will work out for you, James. I would say that so long as you have a Bachelor's, you'll be fine. Once school gets going have your HR rep track down the answers to your questions. Be prepared, however, there isn't very much documentation and, from my experience, the ADO program on the administrative side is full of ambiguity...so be prepared for that.

      As to the time it will take for completion, you'll be fine. I started my masters program the summer I left for LDAC. I completed 12 hours over the summer (I spent a month at LDAC), and then 12 hours in the Spring and Fall Semester (plus ROTC responsibilities) of my final year in the program. Also, I had a third child at this time. I didn't intend on getting my Masters when I started ADO, but it just made sense. This being said, not all Masters programs are created equal. I would say, though, you should just be fine. Remember, your are now a Cadet and your focus as a Cadet is on academics...period.

      Best of luck to you.
      • JAMES
        8/24/2012 8:06 AM
        Andy Tennant,

        Thank you. I'm going to see how this semester goes taking 4 graduate classes and my ROTC. Thank you for letting me know about the summer too because I want to take some classes in the summer as well to cushion the blow for next fall but I wasn't sure how that would work with LDAC. did you take them online? did you finish your classes before LDAC?
        • Andy Tennant
          8/24/2012 8:39 PM
          All of my classes were online and I coordinated with the instructors prior to LDAC. I ended up getting as much as possible done before I went and finished promptly after returning home. It was a lot of work, but I managed to do it. I took 12 hours over that summer.
  • J.Bostic
    8/21/2012 2:45 PM
    I am thinking about applying to G2G. I am going to have nursing as a major, but I read even though I have a nursing major I can still be put as infantry. Is this true?
    • Andy Tennant
      9/8/2012 2:29 PM
      Unsure. The Army has been pushing for nurses, so if you decided to major in Nursing and you want to be a nurse, you'll most likely be a nurse. But, there are no guarantees, although the nursing program seems to be one that might offer the closes glimpse of a guarantee.

      Good luck.
  • Ian
    9/6/2012 6:18 PM
    I'm a green to gold ADO cadet this year. I'm about 3 weeks into school now. I'm just wondering if I'll be competing with the other cadets on the OML or if I'm guaranteed an active duty slot?
    • Andy Tennant
      9/8/2012 2:33 PM
      Congratulations! It gets easier from here, and enjoy the down time with your family.

      You are guaranteed Active Duty, however you will still be competing for your branch. Be mindful, the top 10% of the Active OML get their first branch choice. The Active duty OML and THE OML are not the same. On THE OML, I was l4%, but once they removed the Reserve and Guard Pax, I moved up to around 8.5% on the Active Duty. Still got my branch of choice, just know the difference.
  • SGT Burke
    9/29/2012 3:02 PM
    So I have another question..When applying to a university do I have to actually have to attend the college face to face or can the program be done online?
  • Doc Andre
    9/30/2012 3:14 PM
    You don't have to physically attend the college, you can do it online, as long as you physically attend for your rotc courses and labs.
  • Spc D'Addosio
    10/14/2012 1:55 PM
    I have currently been in the Army for 18 months now on active duty status. I'm currently deployed as well. I know it's been said over and over throughout the forums that u need 60 credits to begin to drop a packet. Now I came in a PV2 and made SPC in 14 months. I know that's not like making E-5 in a very short time, but that's still an accomplishment for me. I'm interested in the green to gold. But my only concern is, I'm not very computer literate. I need to be in an actual classroom environment. Is there a program that I can do that'll just keep me focused on school and not having to worry about my current duty station? ( ex. like your papers saying Ft. Jackson, but your main priority is school) If their is a program like that, would you be able to tell me who the POC would be or where I can start. ( i.e. HRC, my S-1 and etc)
  • SSG Cardenas
    10/21/2012 9:10 PM
    2LT Tennant, Do you have any idea on how long you can apply for the G2G-ADO before you have all the required credits? I am currently OCONUS in Okinawa, i am currently knocking out my coursework and should have the remaining credits within a year. If I drop a packet will it get kicked back, even if I get the acceptance letter from the ROTC school itself? If you, or anyone else can answer this for me i greatly appreciate it.
    • Andy Tennant
      10/25/2012 1:32 PM
      Your completed credits must be included in the packet. If there is a waiver for that, which I don't believe there is, contact Cadet Command and see what they say.
  • ms. pearson
    11/4/2012 12:28 AM
    im in desperate need of a template for my recommendation letters if you could assist me
  • SSG Vela
    11/7/2012 8:57 AM
    Just wondering how old were you when you applied for this program? Is their and age limit.
  • SGT Burke
    11/8/2012 7:21 AM
    Question: If I already have a Bachelors degree can I do ADO Green to gold to get a different Bachelors?
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  • Army medic
    11/9/2012 7:25 PM
    I was hoping someone is able to she'd some light... I am currently a reservist and would like to go active duty. I am a medic so I am also exploring HPSP however I would prefer to go the ROTC, OCS, or direct commission route. I am receiving conflicting information and hope to find information to make this process as smooth as possible. I have competed my undergrad, therefore making the green to gold program for my masters ideal. I am also 28 so the clock is ticking for G2G scharship eligibility. Any insight would be more than appreciated!
  • Army medic
    11/9/2012 7:25 PM
    I was hoping someone is able to she'd some light... I am currently a reservist and would like to go active duty. I am a medic so I am also exploring HPSP however I would prefer to go the ROTC, OCS, or direct commission route. I am receiving conflicting information and hope to find information to make this process as smooth as possible. I have competed my undergrad, therefore making the green to gold program for my masters ideal. I am also 28 so the clock is ticking for G2G scharship eligibility. Any insight would be more than appreciated!
  • ty
    12/7/2012 2:24 AM
    Hi, I am currently active duty with 36 college credits from online classes, and 24 credits I've earned from basic and, ait and I want to go green to gold active duty, do i qualify?
  • James
    12/8/2012 8:23 AM
    I noticed you were stationed at Fort Bragg then had to move. Is this because you had to for the program or because of the school you choose? Also was your wife allowed to stay on Fort Jackson or did she have to stay off base while you attented school ?
  • Frank
    12/17/2012 6:48 AM
    Hi, I am a future soldier still waiting for shipdate and had a few questions in regards to the Green to Gold program.
    1)I have 21 university credits would i be able to apply for the 4 year scholarship program after serving 2 years of active duty?
    2)Would i be able to stay in the same MOS as 15 tango after being in school?
    3)Do you receive the same amount of pay as active duty if you are in the scholarship program?
    4)How long do you need to extend your contract? Or do you server the remaining years of your contract that is unfinished?(estimation according to your experience for the contract extension)
  • Ross
    12/30/2012 11:36 AM
    I am just looking for some one to point me in the best direction. I.E. Is my first step getting accepted to the school or should I talk to my chain of command first.
  • Marie Watts
    1/1/2013 9:15 PM
    SGT LLANA- contact me at johnson.marie36@yahoo.com. marie johnson
  • Pv2 stevens
    1/12/2013 6:10 PM
    How many college credits did you have before submitting your packet??
  • SGT Vargas
    1/26/2013 12:44 PM
    CDT Tennant,

    I'm glad that I have found someone willing to share their experience as far as submitting a green to gold packet, I only wish I had found this discussion board sooner. This is my my second time applying for the green to gold program, but this time I am am applying for the ADO. My packet is almost done and I have submitted most of my forms already, I am just waiting for a few more signatures. The due date for this packet is Feb 1 so I was hoping you could answer a few of my question before then. First, I never could find an example of the Statement of Eligibility memorandum. The example on the cadet command web page was not a good one. Do you still have an example of what this form looks like? Also I have a 3.9 GPA, a 300 PT score and many awards, but what I am worried about is the fact that I only have 60 credits. When I filled out the CC Form 104-R I had to take classes in the summer as well in order to fulfill my ROTC classes. I know that I will have to go to LDAC the summer of my junior year, so do you think I will still have time to take classes some time in the summer? If you have anymore last minute pointers you could give me before the due date I would really appreciate it.
  • SGT Jeremy Schlieve
    2/4/2013 10:15 PM
    CDT Tennant,

    Thanks for posting some great information on this site. I've submitted my ADO application last month and I'm currently playing the waiting game. I've noticed quite a bit of questions concerning OCS and recruiters. I haven't read every question and response, but I feel inclined to offer some helpful advice, including tips for ADO applicants.

    I've been an Army Recruiter for the past two and a half years and have had the pleasure to help process eight or nine OCS applications. All of the hints I will give are in reference to those applicants being selected as non-Prior Service select for OCS, or 09S.

    The first thing I recommend is to ensure your essay, or personal statement, is written properly. Stating why you want to commission, or to be an Army Officer, is important to the Board Members. Many blogs, forums, or other informational sites state that this is just a formality, WRONG! Cadet Command, or Recruiting Command, Board Members are not only interested in how well you communicate, but also your sincerity level and desire to do what they are currently doing. Don't just write, "I want to be an Officer because blah!" Take the time and put some thought into Army Leadership and what it means to you. Include some key words, such as, Honor, Loyalty, Duty, Courage, and Self Respect; Army values and Warrior Ethos go a long way. For any current or former NCO's, there should be mention of mentorship and it's importance for the proper development of subordinates, etc.

    Double and triple check all of the necessary documents for completeness. It's important to pay attention to detail, when either applying for ADO, OCS, WOFT, and other programs. Common errors and possible non-selects come from lack of attention to detail. Review the CC104R for accuracy; someone at Cadet Command reviews this information (the same goes for the applicant to OCS and WOFT), don't just think that because it's your tentative class schedule that someone won't review it for accuracy.

    There is information released to ROTC Commands about the board results, a type of AAR for that specific board. This information is confidential but if you're really concerned, contact the ROTC program you're applying to about any statistic on previous selection board, the same goes for OCS/WOFT. They might be able to review your application before you submit it to determine your chances.

    One last thing about your overall packet, submit only what is asked for. Like any E-7 and higher board, every packet is reviewed, placed in sequential order based specific criteria, and the elimination beings. Your record is reviewed against your "peers" and the board determines the minimum qualification for selection; they also know how many slots they have and need to fill. Records are given another look to determine which packets meet that standard. From what I know, there is three initial categories, something like selectable, possible select, and non-select. This goes round and round, until the slots have been filled. There might be an applicant that has a 3.8 GPA, 300 APFT Score (300+ doesn't exist, so review TC 3-22.20, appendix A if there is confusion) and not require a waiver, but isn't selected do to ERB incompleteness (including uniform errors or awards not appearing on ERB but are indicated on the uniform), recommendations from the applicants CO and BN CO not being strong enough (for anyone that has had to write an NCOER or award, officers and experienced NCOs can write in such a way that on the surface seems strong, but in essence is indicates weakness), and other paper work errors. I don't say this to deter anyone, but waiver's aren't that challenging for the board and don't mean that you don't stand a chance, either does an outstanding APFT Score. For NCO's applying, I would suspect that if you've ever had a 1059 that indicated Commandant's List or Leadership Awardee, etc, you stand just as good a chance as any.

    If anyone has any question that they have for OCS, ADO, or WOFT please shoot me an email jeremy.schlieve@usarec.army.mil. I'm only on recruiting for a few more months but would be happy to help anyone that needs it.

    Respectfully,
    SGT Schlieve
  • SGT Schlieve
    2/4/2013 10:25 PM
    I should caveat my previous post with, I don't want, nor do I intend to recruit anyone by giving them the above information. But for those currently serving in the Army (Active, Reserve, or NG) that need help with an application for ADO, G2G, OCS, or WOFT and have exhausted all avenues of approach, shoot me an email.

    SGT (P) Schlieve
  • Greg
    5/31/2013 6:04 AM
    when doing a green to gold packet where is the board for it usually held at? im asking this because im currently stationed in Italy.
  • Fary
    6/13/2013 9:54 AM
    Does any body knows about the age requirements (or where to find about it) for ADO?

    Thanks.
  • SSG Jeremy Schlieve
    6/13/2013 10:16 AM
    It's 30 years old, but age waivers are authorized. You must be able to commission by the age of 34.
  • Andy Tennant
    6/16/2013 12:53 PM
    All,

    Thank you for continuing to post and using this board as an avenue to communicate. I'm mostly writing in apology to those of you that have written, to whom I have not replied. This last year has been incredibly busy for me due to both personal and professional reasons...flight school is no joke to those of you planning to branch Aviation. I'm also writing to say that due to these reasons I will not be readily responding to all posts on this board, however I encourage those of you in search of answers and those of you that have answers to use this as a forum. That being said, many of the questions that have been asked are entry level questions (e.g. the information is available on the goarmy site, etc.), and the answers are readily available on multiple sites. If your desire is to become an officer, or any professional for that matter, you MUST do your own research and not rely on others for the answers. Seek out the regulations, READ them, and exhaust all resources (e.g. this blog and other forums). That being said, I am encouraged to see so many people actively seeking this program, and I pray that the Lord's will be fulfilled for you.

    I will continue to check this site periodically. God Bless, and best of luck.
  • Wilson C
    7/7/2013 4:55 AM
    I have read a lot of information regarding the strength of applications to the undergrad program. I seek information/opinion regarding the "ideal" packet for a Masters' application. I am currently putting together my packet for the 2 year Masters ADO and my stats are as follows:
    TIS: 2 years
    Rank: SPC
    Already possess 4-year Bachelor's Degree
    High School GPA: 3.70
    SAT Score: 1980/2400
    College GPA: 2.98 (BSc in Economics, majored in Finance)
    Applying for an MBA (Masters in Business Admin - focussing on Accounting & Finance)
    1 deployment
    2 AAMs, 1 ARCOM
    APFT: 260
    GT Score: 131

    Do I stand a good chance of getting accepted in your opinion?
    Kindly advise.
  • SPC Shafer
    7/14/2013 9:54 AM
    Sir,

    I am in the army now as active duty and I am undergoing the process for ADO. I have a two year degree already in CJ but I am not interested in continuing that major. I was wondering can I just complete another two year degree or does it have to be a BS. Also if I have to transfer credits over and the school does not give me enough for me to complete the degree in two years, will I be DQ if I have to take three years? I know it said ADO was for two more years but I didn't know if they waiver it.
  • PFC Battle
    7/17/2013 4:23 PM
    I've previously been to college for 2 years, my grades were terrible. I admit I've messed up a lot in the past with college. The question I want to ask is, even if I'm maintaining good academic standing now, will my past mistakes prevent me from entering the program?
  • SSG Jeremy Schlieve
    7/18/2013 9:06 AM
    SPC Shafer,

    You will have to apply and be accepted to a College/University, at that time you'll be able to select a degree major. You have to complete a full four year degree for the ADO program. There happen to be a couple options and you'll need to speak to an ROTC MS Professor for options that pertain to your application. In any event, you may not have enough credits for the program due to the fact, as you say, the school not giving credit for all of your classes.

    I hope this answers your question.
    SSG Schlieve

    PFC Battle,

    They can, due you not meeting the GPA minimum for selection. I was in your situtation for the last board and wasn't selected, I was apply for the non-Scholarship option. That being said, I had a 3.0 GPA but didn't have much by way of the SLA.

    I hope this helps!

    SSG Schlieve
  • SPC TORRES
    7/26/2013 1:46 PM
    CDT COMMAND
    do I should wait to finish my associates degree to start my packet?
    I need one more semester to finish, so I should be done in December...also do the army have any preference for specific degrees?
    do I should contact the ROTC office of the school I want to go?
  • SGT Chambers
    8/12/2013 4:18 PM
    I was curious the GTG program will only accept a Bachelor's degree or would one be able to complete an Associate's and then do continuing education once being back on active duty. My predicament is that I am 30 years old now, I only have 9 credit hours from a community college, and obviously not be able to swing a Bachelor's in 21 months. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  • Jonathan
    8/18/2013 7:16 AM
    Hello,

    Quick question. I have been to three different colleges. Do I compute my own CGPA or do I have the college I am transferring to, calculate my CGPA based on the credits they accept towards my degree? Thanks for your time.

    Jonathan
  • SSG Jeremy Schlieve
    8/19/2013 9:17 AM
    Jonathan,

    You want to apply to one college and have them calculate your credits to determine your GPA. Remember, some colleges have a requirement that a transferring student must complete a specific number of credits before a transcript evaluation be completed.

    SSG Schlieve
  • SPC Rodriguez
    8/30/2013 9:14 PM
    Hello;

    I've been in active duty for 2 years and I have a bachelor degree already. Because my GT score is 98 I'll be taking the fast classes this September 2013 to rise it. Other than GT score, I meet all the initial requirements for Green to Gold Active Duty option. Do I have to wait to get the GT score results to start building up the packet for Green to Gold Active Duty option or can I go ahead and get some of the things from the check list? How long could it take get the packet done? I'm stationed in Fort Hood right now. Do I have to PCS to another location if I get selected?
  • CDT RAY
    8/31/2013 3:45 PM
    SPC Rodriguez,

    No, you do not have to wait to get your GT score up prior to building the packet in fact the sooner you get the packet/checklist done the better. I was enlisted as an 11c for 2years and went green to gold using the hip pocket scholarship, awarded by my CG. I can only speak from my personal experience but the entire packet start to finish takes roughly 6 months. Unfortunately there isn't much that you can do to speed this process up there are a lot of fire rings you must jump through it's a big wait game... but in the army we are all use to this. Also and just a FYI you have to have a minimum of 110 GT so take that fast class seriously it's you future!

    PS: I know a lot of this is about G2G ADO however I can answer questions about G2G Hip pocket scholarship... Currently a Senior pursuing my BS in Criminal Justice, then off too commissioning as a 2nd LT.
  • SPC Dumas
    9/3/2013 8:51 AM
    I am currently getting ready to PCS from my unit, and going to another but I have already started to complete my G2G ADO packet. Just wondering what is the earliest that you can submit your packe prior to the deadline? I also would like to know do I need to wait until I get to my gaining unit before I start all of the memos and etc that are required.
  • PV2 Kamara
    10/22/2013 10:11 PM
    Hello. I have recently PCS'd to Hawaii and this is my first duty station. My long-term goal in the military is to become commissioned as an officer. I have been doing much research on the Green-to-Gold Program. What I am not getting a clear answer on though, is whether one still has to go through OCS after completing the Green-to-Gold program.....Or is it a direct commission?
  • Jade
    10/23/2013 7:25 AM
    PV2 Kamara:
    My husband is currently in the G2G program. When your in school your in the ROTC program while your also going to school and getting your degree. So you will not go to OCS. You will graduate and commission basically the same time. My husband graduates the 1st week of may and the next week he will commission!:) hope that answers your question.

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