Soldier Blog Post

Question Answered - McKenzie, read this!

March 30, 2010

I got a question in one of my recent posts and wanted to share the answer with everyone.

How physical is the Judge Advocate Officer Basic Course (JAOBC) class at TJAGLCS and the six-weeks at the Direct Commission Officer Course (DCC)). I have a chronic torn ACL, which has not been surgically repaired.

Also, how does the army determine your area of work (e.g. medical, administrative support, combat, legal and law enforcement, etc)? Do you rotate through each area?

McKenzie,

While I can't give you specific advice about your specific issue (every applicant undergoes a medical eval and issues like your are referred to the Surgeon General of the Army for determination of whether you would meet physical requirements and, if not, whether a waiver is appropriate), I can give you a little insight to the Officer Basic Course and how the JAG Corps makes assignments.

First, OBC and the Direct Commission Officer Course can both be pretty challenging. In particular, the OBC in recent years has gotten tougher. There is a daily requirement to do Physical Training (PT) and the intensity of PT will vary, based on the period of training you're in (and, of course, on the level of fitness you come with). PT will involve running, push-ups and sit-ups, other strength training, road marches (basically hiking with a heavy pack), and other Soldier-oriented training. Generally, if you can run and engage in other exercises, you'll be ok.

As far as assignments, the JAG Corps tries to assign all new Judge Advocates to each of our primary practice areas during their first 4-year tour. This usually means spending 6-12 months doing Legal Assistance, 6-12 months in Administrative Law, and 6-12 months doing Criminal Law. Any remaining service balance might be served in Operational Law or in one of the other three areas of practice. It's also possible that a new JA will be assigned to a Brigade Combat Team; this would put the JA in the position of handling most of these areas at the same time. And no matter what area of practice is your primary responsibility, you'll get significant operational law experience in practice during a deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan. (My advice to all applicants is to expect to be deployed for one year within your first 4-year term of service; this isn't guaranteed to happen, but you really should be prepared for it from the outset.)

Hope this helps! As always, feel free to send more questions.

     Previous Post

Leadership Panel
March 25, 2010

Next Post     

Off to Gettysburg!
April 16, 2010

  • 10 Comments
  • Add Favorite
    You must be logged in to use this feature.

Comments

  • Bill

    Mar 30, 2010 5:29 PM

    MAJ Grimes -

    I am applying for a JAG Reserve position and was hoping you might be able to answer a few questions. At this point, I'm really just trying to fill in the gaps and set expectations for myself and my family. Any help is appreciated.

    One of my initial concerns is the logistics of living away from my permanent home. My wife and I own a home in the DC metro area. As a Reservist, I'm obviously not moving because after training I go back to work at my other job. During training, do I get a BAH based on my permanent home? Is there any extra per diem or boarding options, or do I have to rent an apartment? The room and board issue is certainly not going to affect my decision, but I would like to be able to budget ahead appropriately. I'd expect there could be some differences depending on the training phase as well.

    Also, given that I only live about 1.5hrs from C-ville, I'd be able to stop home or have someone drop by, if I ever got some down time while in that phase (ft lee too). Realistically, how much down time is there during training? Do they keep everyone busy on the weekends? I'd guess that the C-ville phase would be most receptive. Again, I'm just looking to set expectations.

    Thanks for taking the time to keep up this blog - being able to read about your experiences and the experiences of others has been very helpful.


    Reply

  • Andy

    Mar 31, 2010 7:44 AM

    Hey Bill

    I am a reservist in the DC area, and let me answer some of your questions:

    - Housing in C'Ville: You either get the lodging at the schoolhouse or at a local hotel if the schoolhouse is full. You will get reimbursed for those. You will also get per diem for food, and BAH based on your rank and home of record. Unless you are eating at a steakhouse or fancy restaurant every night, per diem will cover your meals and incidentals. Bring your lease/mortgage and marriage cert to training, and making copies of everything.

    - Time off at C'Ville: we weren't in class past 1630 if I recall (but times are a bit fuzzy). There is some studying that you should do at night, and I wouldn't recommend staying out late because first formation for PT is around 0545, and often earlier. The weekends are your own unless you have volunteered for Airborne/Air Assault, in which case you might need a weekend or two to complete some extra PT/training.

    - Ft Lee: You will have no time off

    - DCC: You have time off on the weekends, but you do have some travel restrictions (350miles from post?)

    Anyhow, hope this helps!


    Reply

  • Bill

    Mar 31, 2010 8:43 AM

    Andy - thanks for the helpful answers!

    I've read quite a few posts talking about Airborne/Air Assault. I know what they are, of course, but what does it really mean for a JAG Officer, esp. Reserve? (besides bonus PT opportunities) I'd assume if you volunteer&qualify you'd go to the training course at some point after initial training (or was that rolled into those extra weekends you mentioned). Does it just influence your ability to be assigned to Airborne/Air Assault units, or is it more a "differentiator"?

    Thanks!


    Reply

  • Andy

    Mar 31, 2010 8:56 AM

    I am fairly new to the Army, so this is just some of what I have heard and seen:

    The Airborne/Air Assault question is a good one. It's great for bonus PT, but it gets pretty grueling. If as a Active Duty JAG you get sent to an Airborne unit, you will most likely be sent to Airborne school, and the same with Air Assault. If you get mobilized to Campbell, Bragg or Benning, you will most likely be able to pick up a course through your office.

    If you look at the recent history of military operations, the Air Assault course can definately be helpful. As lawyers, it's helpful because those courses give us more insight into the Army, which is where the majority of our clients come from. As Soldiers, we should be constantly looking to improve our military skills. Will I be slingloading from a Blackhawk in Afghanistan in my duties as a JAG officer? Probably not, but JAG Soldiers are out there as well, so it's not a bad skill do have.

    I imagine that once you become more senior and start applying for more senior jobs, the commands you are applying to would like to see some sort of qualification on your resume.

    As far as timing, if you get picked up for Air Assault/Airborne at JAOBC, you are scheduled for the course in the weeks/months following DCC. If you are not selected, it's entirely up to your command if you can get a slot/funding.


    Reply

  • 1LT Thomas Faragoi

    Apr 7, 2010 12:45 AM

    MAJ Grimes,

    I was sworn in recently, though I have been keeping up on your blog posts for a few months now. I appreciate the pleasant and insightful posts. Looking forward to JAOBC and learning the Army way of practicing law.


    Reply

  • Patrick

    Apr 8, 2010 11:44 AM

    Maj. Grimes,

    I have similar questions to the ones above, except that I am looking at a DC for Ordnance Officer. I have read where there is BOLC 1 and 3, but do those cover the basics of the Army? Thankfully, way back when, I had 2 years of JROTC, so the basic things I still remember (how to salute, stand at attention, ranks, drilling, etc.), but how do new DC officers get this info?

    I have begun reading the Army Officer's Guide as well, but any info you can provide on the overall process, especially for Ordnance Officers specifically would be great.

    Thanks,

    Patrick


    Reply

  • Kevin

    Apr 11, 2010 1:41 PM

    Maj. Grimes - This is kind of off topic from your blog post, but I wanted to ask what it means to be on the alternate list? I really want to be active duty, and just wanted to hear your thoughts on how to get off the alternate list and into active duty JAG?


    Reply

  • CPT Ismael Torres-Pizarro

    May 3, 2010 6:22 PM

    Hello Sir:

    I will attend JAOBC soon, my question is: besides the normal PT plus the extra airbone/air assault training..I do like to do weights, etc..is there a gym anywhere close to them? If so, do we need to pay extra or there is any sort fo arragement?


    Reply

  • Lindsay

    Jun 5, 2010 9:15 AM

    MAJ Grimes -

    Thank you for your insightful and very helpful blogs. I have been doing extensive research on FLEP with little help and guidance on the application process. I am applying for the 2010 selection but have recieved little information beyond the basic regulation requirements on the process. I am specifically looking for information on the memorandums that I must submit through my chain of command and through HRC branch. Are they two seperate memos? What should the memos say? Additionally, there must be some sort of information out there on what law schools offer in-state military tuition to FLEPers. I have written the registrar offices of several law schools, recieving responses that do not fully answer that question.

    Thanks for the help! I cannot believe how difficult it is to find information on FLEP considering how many applications are received.


    Reply

  • CPT Ismael Torres-Pizarro

    Jun 6, 2010 8:12 AM

    Lindsay:

    Perhaps you already know this, but just on case:

    https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/8525769A00495E0D/0/D88CC9A221321F2785257638005D1461?opendocument&noly=1

    In case the link does not work contact Ms. Yvonne Caron at (703) 588-6774 or DSN 425-6774, or by email at Yvonne.Caron@us.army.mil, or by mail at:

    Office of The Judge Advocate General

    Personnel, Plans and Training Office

    1777 North Kent Street, 10th Floor

    Rosslyn, VA 22209-2194


    Reply

Add Comment


All fields required

Your IP: 38.107.179.209